I'm very sorry if she tipped off anyone about your cunningly concealed herd of cows.

Simon ,'Safe'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Dana - May 18, 2011 10:23:43 am PDT #14791 of 28293
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Oh, I think Maya pulled all her stuff off the net.


Consuela - May 18, 2011 11:10:35 am PDT #14792 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I always thought Hogwarts was a ministry-funded public school. Don't all the UK wizard children go there? That sounds public to me. And it makes it more sensible that they can do so much interfering in book 5.

That makes a lot of sense, Gris.

I'm right in the middle of the business about the disciplinary hearing (I listened to it while I got my lunch), and it occurs to me that if they're so concerned about children using magic outside of school, why not confiscate their wands at the end of the school year? At the least, it makes magic more difficult for them to perform.

Of course, this would interfere with JKR's plotting...


Ginger - May 18, 2011 11:12:15 am PDT #14793 of 28293
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It was also my impression that Hogwarts was part of wizarding government and therefore supported by magic taxes.


Toddson - May 18, 2011 11:53:40 am PDT #14794 of 28293
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

ah ... they're under a Republican budget (sorry - couldn't resist)


Ginger - May 18, 2011 11:56:35 am PDT #14795 of 28293
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

No, under a Republican budget, you remove magic taxes and wait for the economy to improve.


Consuela - May 18, 2011 12:08:59 pm PDT #14796 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

No, under a Republican budget, you remove magic taxes and lay all the Ministry staff off and cancel all the contracts with vendors and consultants and wait for the economy to improve.

Fixed that for you, as they say. *grins*


JZ - May 18, 2011 12:26:13 pm PDT #14797 of 28293
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Yeah, worldbuilding fails under close inspection, but that's not new to YA, or to sci fi and fantasy in general. I think she's doing pretty well with what she's put forward to convey emotion and adventure and excitement and horror, since I'm sure that was her major goal, not putting all the building blocks of a functional society in place.

Yep, what ita said.

I keep thinking of a fanfic I remember a ton of non-Buffista people raving about the general wonderfulness of, "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality," which was one fan's attempt to just straight-up rewrite the series, but with more logic and science. The first couple of chapters were utterly brain-twisting and charming as all hell, but oh dear God did those returns ever diminish.

By something like the 30th installment (fortunately each was only a couple of pages long), Ron had disappeared because he wasn't bright enough to be interesting to the author; by the time I gave up and walked away twitching, at chapter 50 or something, Harry was running the school, Hermione and Draco were his only intellectual equals and thus his bestest frenemies, Hagrid was nigh invisible, and Harry's foster parents were loving and supportive and thrilled at the ways he was pushing the envelopes of philosophy and chemistry and physics with his scientific analysis of this "magic" stuff.

It was all very logical and rational and consistent, and the author was very careful not to leave an i un-dotted or a t un-crossed, and there wasn't one single plot thread that wasn't carefully laid out or one single twist on the original plot that wasn't very rationally followed to its logical conclusion. And it was (for me anyway) nigh unreadable. Harry was an insufferable little prick, Hermione was a Mary Sue to make other Mary Sues hide their heads in shame, Dumbledore was a monster, Ron was a nonentity (with no Ron-like replacement, because apparently the very existence of people like Ron was intrinsically uninteresting to this writer), and all this beautiful craftsmanship and intricate rational thinky-brain writing had sucked every atom of joy or emotional weight out of it.

Rowling is sloppy as hell with a lot of real-world details, and grossly unrealistic in a lot of ways, but after that fic I kind of let all that go. Her kids and adults are all prickly and messy and flawed and true, and she will always sacrifice logical consistency to go for the reader's gut or heart or lizard brain, and it's a fair exchange. Having read a good chunk of what the series might be like with those priorities flipped, I'm on her side.

Not that heart and logical consistency together wouldn't be even better, but, as a reader, if I have to pick just one then I definitely know which it'll be.


Consuela - May 18, 2011 12:46:10 pm PDT #14798 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Not that heart and logical consistency together wouldn't be even better, but, as a reader, if I have to pick just one then I definitely know which it'll be.

Which is one reason why I love Farscape so much: because in a contest between logic and drama, drama wins every time.

That said, I retain the right to poke at the holes in the tapestry, because it is great fun for me. I wouldn't do it to this extent if I weren't still enjoying the series.


Connie Neil - May 18, 2011 2:53:32 pm PDT #14799 of 28293
brillig

I don't think Harry cares much about the funding of the school, so someone would have to make a point of telling him where the money comes from, and that would be a point where lots of people would say, "Why is this here? How does this forward the story?"


Hil R. - May 18, 2011 3:32:37 pm PDT #14800 of 28293
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It would make a bit of sense for Uncle Vernon to say something like "We're not paying for him to go there" and Hagrid to explain where the money came from in the scene where Hagrid first meets Harry in Sorcerer's Stone, but really, that would have just added even more detail at a point where the book really didn't need it. (I've been rereading, and I'd forgotten how it takes until about a third of the way through the book before they even get to Hogwarts.)