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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - May 16, 2011 8:08:43 am PDT #14733 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

the Dursleys are so entirely awful I CANNOT STAND IT.

Indeed. I am beginning to think it's kind of a flaw in the writing, or at least the way in which the Dursleys are awful is a flaw.

The bigotry in the Wizarding world is a bigotry we can recognize, in the way it blights the entire society. It's name-calling and "passing" and people being unemployable because they're half-breeds or muggle-born. Drago calling Hermione "mudblood" is seen as equivalent to the use of any one of many ethnic slurs we know now.

But then there's the Dursleys, and I see them as JKR flipping the situation over: muggle bigotry against the wizarding, with the added fillip of childish wish-fulfillment (I'm secretly a wizard and when I'm grown and powerful, won't all you bullies be surprised?). Except they're just so ridiculous in their antipathy, it's not really dangerous, not evocative of current cultural problems, it's just out of a fairy-tale. The annual Christmas gifts, for instance: why send anything at all?

Additionally, the bigotry against muggles by wizards is seen as a real threat to the long-term stability of the wizarding world, because they do draw members from muggle families, and they are grossly outnumbered by muggles: if they get too obvious, they will be overwhelmed by the response.

Whereas the bigotry of muggles against wizards, as shown by the Dursleys, is toxic to those individuals subject to it (Harry and Tom Riddle), but it seems to pose no risk to muggle-dom itself. It is of course a risk if heightened, as witnessed by the history of witch-burning, but nobody ever seems to consider that possibility.

Anyway, the increasing gravity of Harry's situation w/rt Voldemort and the looming war is undercut (and not, I think, balanced) by the ridiculous nature of the Dursley's behavior toward him. And maybe that's the point, but it strikes me as unbalanced and increasingly awkward.


Vonnie K - May 16, 2011 8:08:51 am PDT #14734 of 28293
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

there aren't any Slytherin characters that are decent human beings, are there?

Regulus, Sirius' brother, who started treading the wrong path then had a change of heart. I am a bit sad that his story got shafted in the HP7 part one. He's a reasonably important character in the narrative, I think.

And yeah, Slughorn is weak, but not evil.


Consuela - May 16, 2011 8:10:59 am PDT #14735 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

The problem I have with the Slytherins is that all of the Slytherin kids leave Hogwarts before the battle in HP7. If JKR is trying to assert that house-membership isn't really a statement on inherent goodness/evil, she failed, there.

Which makes Slughorn and Regulus anomalies and thus ignoreable.


DavidS - May 16, 2011 8:12:00 am PDT #14736 of 28293
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't have a problem with the Dursley's portrayal since that's such a commonplace in British children's literature. Without horribly abusive adults there'd hardly be any kids stories in England.


erikaj - May 16, 2011 8:14:40 am PDT #14737 of 28293
Always Anti-fascist!

Also, real people generally try to pretend they are standing up for traditional values, or trying to teach Harry values/protect him from his magical nature when they mistreat their kids. At the very least, as the understanding of other things in the books evolves, the Dursleys ought to be less of a set of cartoon villains, cause isn't that what happens when we grow up?


Consuela - May 16, 2011 8:16:15 am PDT #14738 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Exactly, erika! Nobody uses "But what will the neighbors thing?" as their sole justification for bad behavior. (Even if it really is, that's not how we justify it to ourselves.)


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2011 8:20:43 am PDT #14739 of 28293
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Incidentally, P-Cow I saw your picture in a magazine the other day. 7x7 San Francisco, the current June issue with the Best of San Francisco. They have a piece on the cheater's spelling bee and show your team.

Whaaaat. Where can I find this? I must see it.

Except they're just so ridiculous in their antipathy, it's not really dangerous, not evocative of current cultural problems, it's just out of a fairy-tale. The annual Christmas gifts, for instance: why send anything at all?

Right? And, for that matter, why keep Harry at all? They hate him SO MUCH. You'd think they would be GLAD to get rid of him for the summer, send him away to the Weasleys or something, ship him off to Hogwarts. What is so awful about magic, really? It's like they want to imprison him just for the sake of having control over a small boy.

Additionally, the bigotry against muggles by wizards is seen as a real threat to the long-term stability of the wizarding world, because they do draw members from muggle families, and they are grossly outnumbered by muggles: if they get too obvious, they will be overwhelmed by the response.

I'm finding the Muggle bigotry really annoying too. Maybe because I'm a Muggle myself, but, geez, wizards are like, "Oh God, not a MUGGLE." Like it's the worst thing in the world.

Whereas the bigotry of muggles against wizards, as shown by the Dursleys, is toxic to those individuals subject to it (Harry and Tom Riddle), but it seems to pose no risk to muggle-dom itself.

Exactly! I DON'T GET IT.

And yeah, Slughorn is weak, but not evil.

That's his name! Yeah, he was okay.

The problem I have with the Slytherins is that all of the Slytherin kids leave Hogwarts before the battle in HP7.

And, of course, many people have pointed out the ridiculousness of keeping around a house from which ALL EVIL WIZARDS HAVE SPRUNG. I mean, come on, guys. Maaaaaybe you should just let them have their Evil Hogwarts or something? You know, like Pigfarts.


Consuela - May 16, 2011 8:26:40 am PDT #14740 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Maaaaaybe you should just let them have their Evil Hogwarts or something? You know, like Pigfarts.

A theory I have heard propounded lately may explain this a little bit, actually: it's that the Slytherins are (almost explicitly) the aristocracy of the Wizarding world. They are the oldest families, with most of the money and a great deal of power, even if they aren't apparently involved in government as such.

So Hogwarts is dependent on Slytherin support because that's where a chunk of their funding is coming from. If Dumbledore tries to chuck out Slytherin entirely, he starts a class war.

Nobility as a necessary evil: it's a thought. And then, cast that way, you see that Hogwarts is probably the most democratic institution in the wizarding world...


meara - May 16, 2011 8:29:12 am PDT #14741 of 28293

I can totally understand the anti-wizard bigotry--in reality, if people started showing up with strange freaky powers, while a lot of people would just be jealous, others would be bitter and rageful and fearful that they would become obsolete, etc etc, try to teach their wizardy children not to use the powers, blah blah morality-cakes. But I really would expect the Dursleys and their issues to be more fleshed out as the series got older and more shades-of-grey, rather than stay caricatures.


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2011 8:30:44 am PDT #14742 of 28293
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ooh, that's a sound theory. I do wonder about the other wizarding schools, though. We don't really have any idea what they're like and how they're run and whether they're busy producing evil wizards, do we? Besides the visitors at the Triwizard Tournament, we don't see much of other schools at all.