Yeah, I really wish that they had not started the movies till the books were a closed canon.
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DebetEsse - May 09, 2011 9:30:09 am PDT #14600 of 28297
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Polgara - May 09, 2011 10:37:48 am PDT #14601 of 28297
Karma is a cat, sleeping in my lap cuz it loves me. ~TS
Wow, I didn't realize how much the movies influenced the later books. And yet, I just finished a reread of all seven last month, and Snape is still an ass, and Harry was totally bonkers to name one of his kids after him.
Aims - May 09, 2011 11:53:37 am PDT #14602 of 28297
Shit's all sorts of different now.
And people love this character. Want to marry him on the astral plane!
t raises hand
I am, along with Fay, I believe, an unabashed Snape lover. I totally agree that he is a total ass and irresponsible teacher. But he is wounded! And scarred! And was cleansed of his mortal sins! He just needed someone to LOVE HIM.
Ahem.
Yeah, I really wish that they had not started the movies till the books were a closed canon.
t terrorist fist bump.
Consuela - May 09, 2011 12:00:28 pm PDT #14603 of 28297
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
But he is wounded! And scarred! And was cleansed of his mortal sins! He just needed someone to LOVE HIM.
t backs away cautiously
More seriously: did you love him before Rickman was cast? If so, at what point in the series did you love him?
Because as of the end of Book 3 there is no indication Snape is anything other than a vindictive, petty, self-absorbed little man. Not necessarily evil, mind you (it's not evil to think Harry's a major PITA), but he's a poor excuse for a human being, with no apparent charity in his soul.
Amy - May 09, 2011 2:56:06 pm PDT #14604 of 28297
Because books.
It's really unsettling to read this conversation, because I realize I don't remember when Snape *wasn't* Rickman to me. And it's been a long time since I've reread books 1-4.
Sue - May 09, 2011 3:02:07 pm PDT #14605 of 28297
hip deep in pie
I wonder what would have happened with Snape if Tim Roth hadn't turned down the role.
Amy - May 09, 2011 3:09:20 pm PDT #14606 of 28297
Because books.
That would have been a whole other way to go, for sure.
beth b - May 09, 2011 5:14:51 pm PDT #14607 of 28297
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
I don't love Snape, but I love the character. Just because he is 'redeemed' at the end -- he is still an ass. And I think it AR works well in the movies, but he is much prettier than the book version. But since some very pretty people are bad guy in the movie it all matches.
Aims - May 09, 2011 5:23:36 pm PDT #14608 of 28297
Shit's all sorts of different now.
More seriously: did you love him before Rickman was cast? If so, at what point in the series did you love him?
I did not because i did not read the books until after the seeing the second movie. Before that I was Not Interested.
Rickman/Snape was a factor in my love of the Snape, for sure.
Consuela - May 09, 2011 5:32:36 pm PDT #14609 of 28297
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
One of the things that the casting of AR really screwed up was the slow realization by the reader that Snape is, at best, 30 when Harry comes to Hogwarts. Because Lily & James married really early, right, and they were all the same year. Snape, Lupin, and Sirius are all still young men, which I think is really interesting.
So here's an intelligent young(ish) man, marooned on the ass-end of nowhere in a job that requires him to deal with all these difficult kids--as well as the blossoming girls in the top grades--and he's got (so far as we can tell) no social life at all. Instead of getting his shit together and making a life for himself (regardless of his childhood woes), he spends his time making schoolchildren miserable and catering to the whims of the upper class jerks in his own house.
He's really pathetic.