What? She killed 'em with mathematics. What else could it have been?

Jayne ,'Objects In Space'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - Dec 10, 2010 8:07:46 am PST #13211 of 28277
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yeah, P-C. That, and there's a whole set-piece in Mockingjay that just threw me right out of the story because it made NO SENSE AT ALL. For those who read Mockingjay: the bit where the "pods" are in the streets of the Capitol, which means the authorities set boobytraps all over the area inhabited by their own civilian population. Totally nonsensical.


megan walker - Dec 10, 2010 8:10:00 am PST #13212 of 28277
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I really didn't have a problem with the world-building until Mockingjay, which just didn't seem to fit with the other two books at all.


Polter-Cow - Dec 10, 2010 8:14:46 am PST #13213 of 28277
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I don't really need to know that, though, P-C. Personally, I mean, because the Capitol is portrayed as so powerful and so unknowable, I can be with Kat in not understanding how it's done, but having to roll with it.

Yep.

But if the world-building issues aren't really till Mockingjay, then at least I'm not crazy about wondering what people were complaining about.


Steph L. - Dec 10, 2010 8:16:14 am PST #13214 of 28277
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I had problems with the world-building, too. The biggest was that Collins wrote it as though the Capitol, which I'm assuming is Denver-ish, is able to defend itself against all attackers because...of the mountains. Pretty sure the books aren't set in the 1800s.

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But if the world-building issues aren't really till Mockingjay, then at least I'm not crazy about wondering what people were complaining about.

My world-building issue was in book 1.


Consuela - Dec 10, 2010 8:26:32 am PST #13215 of 28277
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

My world-building issue was in book 1.

Mine, too. It just feels very, um, simple. Broad strokes, not a lot of complex relationships, and so forth. You can blame that on Katniss' relative youth and ignorance, but seriously: District 12 only produces coal, and Rue's District only produces grain, and so on and so forth. All the people in the Capitol are perfectly happy with the entertainment provided by the Hunger Games and there is no internal political strife there. Nobody in any of the Districts has figured out how to subvert the advanced communications and surveillance technology despite having a hundred years or more to do it.

It's an interesting setup, but it's shallow to me. Too imbalanced to work for more than a generation or two, like North Korea--and North Korea is utterly dependent on outside aid to feed their people.


Kate P. - Dec 10, 2010 8:42:14 am PST #13216 of 28277
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

My biggest worldbuilding problem in Mockingjay was, towards the end there's all this talk about how Katniss basically has to save humanity and they all have to repopulate the earth (I'm paraphrasing but that was the definite sense I got) -- which made me wonder, are there no other countries left on earth?? Is Panem all that remains, not just of America, but of the whole WORLD? It's the kind of thing a writer can get away with in sci-fi that's set on an entirely different planet, but if this is meant to be Earth a few hundred years in our future... what the hell happened? And why did it take until book 3 to find that out?


Consuela - Dec 10, 2010 8:59:03 am PST #13217 of 28277
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Kate, yes, that too.

I really much preferred Scott Westerfeld's dystopian future in the Uglies series, which slowly unfold to show the world is, in fact, a much bigger place than the lead character understands. And he writes kickass action sequences, too.


Steph L. - Dec 10, 2010 9:00:31 am PST #13218 of 28277
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I really much preferred Scott Westerfeld's dystopian future in the Uglies series

Definitely.


Polter-Cow - Dec 10, 2010 9:01:59 am PST #13219 of 28277
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That's also on my List. It's a trilogy, but then there's some book called Extras ? Should I read that too?


Steph L. - Dec 10, 2010 9:03:53 am PST #13220 of 28277
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Extras is...okay. I'm glad I read it for completion's sake, but I didn't like it as much as the first 3.

I also really like Westerfeld's Midnighters trilogy, although it's not dystopia like Uglies or Hunger Games.