I'd managed never to encounter the concept of the Fall as a positive thing until Pullman

There is a really good Harlan Ellison short story on this theme. The title escapes me, but perhaps someone else will remember.

In my cataloging class yesterday, we were discussing relational databases, and I brought up LibraryThing. Turns out the only people who were familiar with LibraryThing in my class were me and the teacher, so I spent my break showing some of my classmates my list of books over there. That made me realize how long it'd been since I last updated it--I have to work on that soon!

I think Ishmael looks at The Fall as a positive thing.

Is Intentional Fallacy why, when Georgia O'Keefe says they're Just Flowers, it's OK to laugh?

was amused by Catholics getting all huffy about it.

Yes, it's pee-in-your-pants HILARIOUS when people object to their faith being skewered.

Pullman never names a specific Real Life faith in any of the books or makes a direct correlation to the Catholic faith. Catholics can make that correlation all they want, but the books are pure fantasy.

eta: by which i mean that even as a someone who heavily studied religions, i never grokked the series as an attack against a belief system, but against a superpowerful Oligarchy using an ancient belief system to do terrible things to people, and that it is a good thing for people to question what they are being told in the name of Faith...which i consider to be true for every belief system.

Pullman never names a specific Real Life faith in any of the books.

Yes. Because, as you say in the very next sentence, the books are fantasy. C.S. Lewis named the lion Aslan and not Jesus, and yet people get that Aslan is a Jesus figure without him being specifically named as such.

as a someone who heavily studied religions, i never grokked the series as an attack against a belief system

Many other people (I don't mean Buffistas, though several certainly have), however, did read it that way, and if Pullman himself said that he wrote it that way means that the interpretation is, at the very least, extremely viable.

It struck me as being more actively Gnostic than anti-Catholic.

I'm not Catholic, and I found the third book offensive.

Pullman never names a specific Real Life faith in any of the books or makes a direct correlation to the Catholic faith.

The Authority is explicitly identified as being "God, the Creator, the Lord, Yahweh, El, Adonai, the King, the Father, the Almighty." And then there's an ex-nun whose view of the church is fairly pivotal. I didn't see the books so much as anti-Catholic as anti-religion-in-general, but a) I'm not Catholic, and b) that's basically why I was reading them.

Pullman never names a specific Real Life faith in any of the books or makes a direct correlation to the Catholic faith.

Well, no, but:

'I hope the wretched Catholic church will vanish entirely' >[link]

"I've been surprised by how little criticism I've got. Harry Potter's been taking all the flak... Meanwhile, I've been flying under the radar, saying things that are far more subversive than anything poor old Harry has said. My books are about killing God". >[link]

It's not like he's shy about views on the matter. I mean blah blah intentional fallacy all you want - enough people agree with the author in this case that I think arguing that the books are not anti-religion/anti-God/anti-Church is a difficult case to make at best.

(Personally I couldn't make it through even the first book because psychic and/or talking animals give me fantasy hives. And since I was never a fan of Narnia in the first place, I never really felt the need to take it down a peg by reading the atheist version.)

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