Zoe: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing? Book: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

'War Stories'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Strix - Dec 09, 2009 4:19:07 pm PST #10558 of 28370
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Well, the thing about Scarlett, and I am not saying she is a feminist ideal by any means, is that she had sort of a fire burning in her that she didn't know how to reconcile with how she was supposed to act. I think she was certainly (at least in the movie) at her best when she was picking cotton and running the household at Tara post war. Even though she desperately wanted to get out of it, she was able to be almost a good person at the time.

Oh, I agree, and that fire about her was the thing that made me more sympathetic. However, I think her basic personality would make her unlikeable to me, even if she were born today.

Ugh, Ashley was a zombie. I never, NEVER got why Scarlett wanted him so badly. Milquetoast.

I don't like Melly, either. I think I would have like Belle Watling the best.


Jessica - Dec 09, 2009 4:26:57 pm PST #10559 of 28370
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I never, NEVER got why Scarlett wanted him so badly.

To be fair, this was kind of the point. She wanted him because he was some kind of ideal something-or-other, but she had no idea what he was really like as a human being, and as soon as she found out she realized she didn't want that after all.

When I first read the book as a tween, probably the strongest resonance for me was Scarlett being better with numbers than with people. (Same reason I identified with Anya in the latter seasons of BtVS, really.)


Amy - Dec 09, 2009 4:36:09 pm PST #10560 of 28370
Because books.

To be fair, this was kind of the point. She wanted him because he was some kind of ideal something-or-other, but she had no idea what he was really like as a human being, and as soon as she found out she realized she didn't want that after all.

This. Ashley was everything she was *supposed* to want.


Katerina Bee - Dec 09, 2009 4:37:10 pm PST #10561 of 28370
Herding cats for fun

...and the tragedy to sixteen year old Katie was how unhappy Scarlett was with everything she'd been supposed to want, once she had it.


Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 4:38:38 pm PST #10562 of 28370
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, she wanted him because she had decided somewhere around age 15 that she wanted him, and once she decided she wanted something she had to pursue it until she got it. Even if she really should have stopped to think at some point and realized that there was no good reason to want him.


Strix - Dec 09, 2009 4:42:00 pm PST #10563 of 28370
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I get that, I do. I understood that that was the point.

But I was always, ugh, REALLY? Him?


Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 4:46:03 pm PST #10564 of 28370
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

One of the things that fascinated me at 12 was that she could just smile and turn on the charm and get people to do stuff for her. It took her like a week to steal her sister's fiance. Took no time at all to convince Charles Hamilton to marry her. Ashley fell for it to some extent, but he wouldn't break off his engagement with Melanie because his feeling that he should do what he was supposed to do was even stronger. (Pretty much everything Ashley did, he did because it was what he was supposed to do. Even things that he directly said were wrong, if they were what a gentleman would do in that situation, than he did it.) Rhett was the only man who never fell for that stuff -- he could see through it every time.


Katerina Bee - Dec 09, 2009 4:50:01 pm PST #10565 of 28370
Herding cats for fun

That's why she liked Rhett... straightforward, no namby pamby proper malarkey. Just liquor, money, snark and that trip up the stairs.


Strix - Dec 09, 2009 4:50:07 pm PST #10566 of 28370
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Scarlett was alluring as hell. By its very definition, allure holds fascination.

Who do you think are the most alluring characters in fiction?


Sophia Brooks - Dec 09, 2009 4:57:16 pm PST #10567 of 28370
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Much like the story of Buffy and Spike, the story of Rhett and Scarlet could have been that of people who really found their equals and were really able to make a go of it. Of course, that was not the sotry their creator's wished to tell or what came out at all, but just what I tended to long for.

Alluring reminds me of what I think of as the Ur- good at heart evil guy, Edmund "stand up for bastards" from Lear. But I may be crazy. I always think he informed the anti hero from Rochester to Rhett Butler to Chuck Bass.