I think Irving's coming to terms with it. Garp also had an early sexual initiation. And you'll remember that Jenny Garp had nonconsensual sex with Garp's father (he was brain damaged in her ward, and she mounted him when he had an erection). Garp himself has all the babysitter sex. I think there's definitely a recurring theme with problematic sexual boundaries.

Which, now that I think of it, may be the source of his interest in prostitutes. Because that has very clear boundaries.

That makes sense- somehow Until I Found you was the first time I found the sexual boundries made me feel all "Danger Will Robinson!" and I felt a little like the book didn't want me to feel that way.. but it as probably the character that didn't want to feel that way.

Interesting factiod: My acting teacher in college babysat for John Irving's children while she was in college. I do not know if she was THE babysitter...

A Prayer For Owen Meany is my favourite Irving and one of my favourite books, period. I love the way it all came together so neatly in the end.

ita, ITA.

(I think that's the first time I've done that. I just had to.)

The whole book, I frequently became impatient whenever the book started to meander for pages and pages on unimportant digressions and events, but at the end, I realized how everything really had been important, and it had all been leading up to the finale, and it was awesome.

It's interesting to me (not just in this discussion, I've seen it elsewhere) that Owen Meany is so resonant for so many people.

For somebody who read Irving from his early books, it's oddly like watching Rebecca Lizard discover R.E.M. through their 7th album.

Then again some Tom Waits fans might feel that about people that joined in around Swordfishtrombones (his 8th).

A Prayer For Owen Meany is my favourite Irving and one of my favourite books, period. I love the way it all came together so neatly in the end.

Yes, this.

I've never read any Irving. I take it I should?

I don't know if you'd like him or not, Jilli. I've been reading him since I was in high school and love him, but he's not for everyone.

I've read earlier books, but they were so over the top for me. There are a bunch I still have waiting for me to read. And DH loves the water method man. I can't really even remember if I finished it

but then again I didn't love Tom Robbins until Skinny legs and all

Yes-the way it turned out that there wasn't a single digression in the book really got me. I can get impatient when an author spends a lot of time on atmosphere. Unless they're really speaking my language, I'm all "I get that. Gimme plot."

I just finished a reread of A Fire Upon The Deep. The 'net postings were a bit that for me. I've read newsgroups. I understand the dynamics. But it's a brilliant book. Either the Tines or the concept of the Deep and the Beyond would have been enough for one book. Together they are great. Next up is A Deepness In The Sky.