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Spike's Bitches 29: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


beth b - Apr 17, 2006 7:51:12 pm PDT #9776 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

((cass))


Cass - Apr 17, 2006 8:03:24 pm PDT #9777 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

or you can call me Windy, or you can call me BreezyBird
Seriously? You had to lead me to a Jodie Foster as Nell place? Wind in the treeeeeeeeeeeeeee. My brain is laughing at me now.

Not that I agree with him, but he obviously feels like it's his parental prerogative to mediate his daughter's relationships with other adults. (This is not an unusual parental perspective either.)
True. I admited that earlier.
If he feels like you're undermining his authority or relationship to his daughter, and you make an end-run to contact her, he's just going to shut contact down with her even harder.
All he can take away is my letters getting to her. And I suspect he already did that. There is literally nothing else. Unless he doesn't let her come to Christmas if I am there. Not that I am justifying my wanting to let her know that I still love and care for her, but there likely isn't a thing to lose in the way of having any contact with her.
I'm not saying you're not right. I'm saying that pressing forward righteously now would have long term negative repercussions in ways you can't even imagine now.
Thus my phone is disassembled and hidden away. Because, yes, the aftershocks would honestly destroy my family and I may hate him and the SiL right now, but I don't want to put things out in the open that can never be taken back. I know what would happen and have backed off precisely because of it.

And you are right about a lot of that, David. I totally admit, and already admitted, a lot of that. He's a lying hypocrit but he's also her parent and she's not 18 yet. But I think they are damaging the neicelet in ways that are going to be nearly impossible to fix.

I am just hurt and furious and broken because I really wanted to believe that she was doing okay. And she's not. And they don't seem to hear her or want to. It is easier for them to blame anyone else (before yesterday, not me until today.)

You have valid points, I just don't want to get into a heated discussion when I know I am upset and overly sensitive.

Well, its either that or hire a sky-writer.
That wouldn't be too dramatic?


Trudy Booth - Apr 17, 2006 8:08:44 pm PDT #9778 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

That wouldn't be too dramatic?

Not if done artfully.

Of course, you'll have to wait until winter -- damn leaves are everywhere now.


DavidS - Apr 17, 2006 8:16:23 pm PDT #9779 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And you are right about a lot of that, David. I totally admit, and already admitted, a lot of that.

Well, I'm not trying to win an argument or even disagree with you. I think you're self-aware, and I'm just validating the batteries-out-of-phone option for the moment.

I am just hurt and furious and broken because I really wanted to believe that she was doing okay.

I can see how much it's tearing you up. I know it feels terrible.

You have valid points, I just don't want to get into a heated discussion when I know I am upset and overly sensitive.

I'm sorry. I don't want to add any heat to this discussion or stress to your situation. My only concern really is about your relationship with your niece and suggesting that forebearance now could be the best way to preserve it over the long haul. Nothing more than that. I don't care about you "seeing it his way" except in the strategic sense of knowing how much leverage you have.


Pix - Apr 17, 2006 8:30:51 pm PDT #9780 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I have nothing to say except (((((Cass))))). I'm sorry sweetie.

ND and I are in Paris. Ah, slot machines in April... Wait, something not right there.


sj - Apr 17, 2006 8:34:58 pm PDT #9781 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Cass}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Cass's neice}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}


P.M. Marc - Apr 17, 2006 8:37:13 pm PDT #9782 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Cass, I wish I could spork some sense into them.


WindSparrow - Apr 17, 2006 8:37:51 pm PDT #9783 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I laugh at your "large" feet. 11 wide, baby!
Vortex is me... and apparently, so also is Perkins.

Seriously? You had to lead me to a Jodie Foster as Nell place? Wind in the treeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Right, I hope you realize I am now earwormed for "Wind Beneath My Wings" - which, I'm not sure why, but there it is, and what am I gonna do about it? Other than make sure to spread the earworm, that is.


Cass - Apr 17, 2006 8:38:10 pm PDT #9784 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I'm sorry. I don't want to add any heat to this discussion or stress to your situation. My only concern really is about your relationship with your niece
No need to apologize. Just felt I should cop to the fact that I am really upset and hurt. My default is to lash out at times like that. It was a preemptive self-Doblerization before I started getting defensive without being attacked.

Really? My only concern in all of this is the neicelet. I mean, I am not going to destroy my family so it's a non-issue. It's tempting to imagine how it could fuck up my brother's life but only because I am torn into pieces over things he's said to her. I want her to be healthy and happy and she's not right now.


Trudy Booth - Apr 17, 2006 8:40:02 pm PDT #9785 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's fun to imagine tormenting your brother. It may have healing properties. You should make a music video in your head.