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§ ita § - Dec 07, 2004 9:15:34 am PST #9295 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, god, you've made me go to an all teenaged SG1 place. I ... it's very weird here.

I'm now curious about gender-switch Buffy fic.


Consuela - Dec 07, 2004 9:19:44 am PST #9296 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, god, you've made me go to an all teenaged SG1 place. I ... it's very weird here.

ita, did you know there's an LJ community dedicated to that? Jack, Sam, and Daniel (or maybe just Jack and Sam) are all regressed to high school age. It's called, IIRC, mini_otp. Sigh.


Connie Neil - Dec 07, 2004 9:20:29 am PST #9297 of 10000
brillig

I'm not getting much joy at the little_details site on this, so I'll ask here.

Somebody loses a lot of blood to a vampire, gets two pints back in a transfusion. A) would they have the entire missing amount transfused or just however many whole pints are missing? B) How long until they were feeling up to normal activity?


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2004 9:22:31 am PST #9298 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Damn you, Suela. I know I read a fic where they were all sequestered somewhere, and suddenly I want to read it again.

Gack. I think I'm gonna go look.

No teen Jaffa? No teen Fraiser?

Ow. My head.


Katie M - Dec 07, 2004 9:32:03 am PST #9299 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

You're probably thinking of Danvers' clone series, ita--here's the link. Also, Jonah in the Whale's Loki's Curse is Teen!Jack and Teen!Daniel, and fairly good, I think.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2004 10:46:25 am PST #9300 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't know it was a series -- I'd only read Clone Home. Thanks!


Jen - Dec 07, 2004 10:57:08 am PST #9301 of 10000
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

A) would they have the entire missing amount transfused or just however many whole pints are missing?

Losing enough fluid to warrant a transfusion almost always means that the person is in hypovolemic shock, which is a body-wide lack of oxygenated blood due to extremey low blood pressure. It has the most immediate effect on the kidneys, often causing acute renal failure due to lack of blood flow. It also disturbs the body's pH value as the cells switch from aerobic to anaerobic production of energy, resulting in lactic acidosis.

Resuscitation is usually begun with two or three liters of normal saline or lactated Ringer's solution, pushed in as fast as it will go. (Quite literally, the person in the trauma room responsible for giving fluids will squeeze the bag in their hands to get it in faster.) Many times this will stabilize the person enough so they can wait for their own blood type to arrive from the blood bank. Then they'll get that infused in slowly over the course of a few hours provided their vital signs remain stable.

If the person has lost 30-40% of their blood volume or more, they'll get one or two liters of normal saline and two pints of O negative blood pushed in as fast as it will go, and then their own blood type.

Replacing all the fluid lost with just blood can cause clotting; won't normalize levels of sodium, potassium, and carbon dioxide, all of which are vital to life; and vastly increases the risk of a transfusion reaction.

B) How long until they were feeling up to normal activity?

If they live through the initial resuscitation--as many as 50% don't survive a loss of greater than 40% of their fluid volume--a good long while, especially if they required intubation and ventilation during the resuscitation. Weaning someone off a ventilator can take weeks. If their kidneys fail during shock, they'll have weeks of dialysis before the kidneys begin to work again. They'll be exhausted, because the level of red blood cells and thus oxygen in their blood (called hematocrit) will take a while to get back to normal levels, and their electrolyte balances will be all out of whack, resulting in lots of different problems. Muscle cells which were deprived of oxygen and died during the shock, will need replacing, and physical therapy will be required.

Having all the blood sucked out of you is one of the most fatal things that can happen to a person, and the recovery is difficult and long if it's possible at all. A month in the ICU and a few more months on a medical floor are common.


Theodosia - Dec 07, 2004 11:09:40 am PST #9302 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Eeek. Remind me not to get exsanguinated, K?


Connie Neil - Dec 07, 2004 11:41:44 am PST #9303 of 10000
brillig

Crap. He's not getting out of the hospital the next day, then. The folks on little_details were going "Well, one pint is what they take for donation, and that's not so bad, so two pints wouldn't be that much worse would it?"


Jen - Dec 07, 2004 12:05:30 pm PST #9304 of 10000
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Losing two pints is roughly equivalent losing a liter of blood, which is about 15% of the total blood volume of six liters. That's actually quite easily compensated provided you drink some water and don't run a marathon immediately afterwards.

The problems I talked about before don't start until you lose more than 15% of total fluid volume, and the problem gets worse as more fluid is lost.

I found the following here:

Class I hemorrhage corresponds to a less than 15% blood volume loss and generally is well tolerated. Blood donors fall into this category. Treatment is oral rehydration or judicious use of IV fluids. These patients do have a diminished intravascular volume, but generally compensate well enough to have no classic physical signs of shock.

Class II hemorrhage is a 15%-30% volume loss. These patients generally will have tachycardia, anxiety and a lowered urine output. These are the first signs of shock. In these cases, prompt control of bleeding and resuscitation with IV crystalloid solutions are essential.

Class III hemorrhage is a 30%-40% blood loss. These patients will have a decreased blood pressure, tachycardia, minimal urine output and confusion. Such patients are unable to compensate for their volume loss. Control of bleeding and rapid resuscitation are essential to prevent later multiple organ dysfunction and death. This group of patients requires blood transfusion and may require surgical intervention to stop the source of bleeding.

Class IV hemorrhage is a greater than 40% blood loss and is rapidly fatal in all patient age groups.

So I guess it depends on how much blood is "a lot of blood" when lost to a vampire. Is your vampire character able to control him- or herself well enough to take less than 15%? If so, the victim will be good as new later that day. If it's more than that, things get dicey.