Well, you know, Shalott. She could make me read wing!fic and like it.

Is she going to tell people what name her novels are published under, so we can all run out and buy them?

I'm sure she will. And I've read the first one. It's faboo.

I hate you.

t pouts

Right place, right time.

She's so damn cool. This seriously couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

Anne, I have links to good resources/archives for these fandoms, and I'll happily dig into them this weekend. When I'm not at work.

Thanks, shrift!

I cannot wait to see what Shalott's novels are like.

Nutty and I had a nice conversation with Shalott at Worldcon, I hadn't known about the series or I would have congratulated her.

(I forgot that she'd written that story, as we happened to be talking about vidding and how different it is from fic. I met her again a different day, and her husband gave me this hilarious pulp crime reader -- first chapters of trashy novels being put back into print for the trashy edification and joy of readers everywhere.

(At the vid show she did, someone failed to propagate broadly the information that the Star Trek episode showing would not be till 6:30, so halfway in the room filled up with, er, an atypical audience for vids. She laughed later about showing "Razzle Dazzle" and a lot of heads starting to nod: "Ah, THIS I know how to think about!" She tried not to scare them too much with her selections.)

I've been having thoughts lately about vids, and accessibility of same. Because I've shown some to some people and gotten some nonplussed responses. And I wonder how much of that is due to the increased sophistication of vidding, the new tools and the symbolism/thematic stuff going on that isn't evident on a first viewing.

It feels like there are very different audiences for some kinds of vids, and that a lot of vidders are mostly talking to each other.

Which isn't, I admit, all that different from the ficwriting community, where the stories that get the most applause aren't necessarily as accessible to the average fan-on-the-street. But it feels like a difference that is growing in magnitude somehow.

Were the people you were showing them to in fandom? Or "just" fans?

I figured stuff that looked like even slightly like a music video would be more accessible, rather than less.

The only non-fan I've shown vids was a filmmaker, so he was quite fascinated.

It feels like there are very different audiences for some kinds of vids, and that a lot of vidders are mostly talking to each other.

I agree, to a point. I've seen some really interesting conversations about Vividcon vids versus Escapade vids and so on, and I think the kind of thing that comes out of Vividcon is on average less accessible to your average viewer. Of course, it tends to have more depth, too, so that's your tradeoff right there.

But a lot of the folks who I think of as the creme de la creme of vidding are about the vid more than they're about the source, which I think leads to less-accessible stuff. I saw a couple of people in Vividcon reports saying that they were disappointed the audience hadn't been more open to vids from source that isn't traditionally fannish--I'm particularly thinking of a couple of people saying that about a Deadwood vid. Which is... well, I had no familiarity with the source. And you can carry that off sometimes, but my response to that vid was "crap, look at all the bearded white guys who I can't tell apart," and if I can't even get a grip on the story being told--which I couldn't--I can't get a grip on the vid. (Unless it's a "look, pretty pictures!" vid.)