I'll be fine. I'll be your bounty, Jubal Early. And I'll just fade away.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

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askye - Oct 14, 2003 7:27:52 am PDT #6365 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I get thrown out of a narrative if the setting is the US or the UK and the writer uses terms from somewhere else.

Things like "car park" vs "parking log" or "mobile" vs "cell phone". Other people might not have a problem with it if a writer is trying to create a believeable world then they should recreate the correct terms. Reading the wrong term throws me into the wrong place.


Phill - Oct 14, 2003 7:48:38 am PDT #6366 of 10000
I like to talk about politics with people that agree with me, and I like high class places.

It just takes that extra bit of mental energy to say to oneself, "Oh, I'll read that as 'truck by the elevator'." And god knows, I have little enough mental energy to spare. Everytime I'm forced to translate Brit to Mur'can my kidneys shut down and I can't remember what my mother looks like.


Anne W. - Oct 14, 2003 8:04:31 am PDT #6367 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I don't think that mixing UK/US usage is a hanging offense. In many cases, the author simply may not realize that "flat" is a UK term while "apartment" is the US term.

If the story is otherwise good and worth reading, I would be inclined to send a feedback note praising the story and pointing out that oh, by the way, Character X (an American) would use the word "apartment" instead of "flat."


Am-Chau Yarkona - Oct 14, 2003 10:45:03 am PDT #6368 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Getting character's voices true is very difficult-- I know, for example, that my Spike suffers because he gets more like my voice and less like his own show voice. And I also know (another example from this fic) that the Draco in my head would never say "off of"-- it's entirely too plebian-- but this author thinks differently.


Nutty - Oct 14, 2003 1:11:41 pm PDT #6369 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Huh. Well, the fact is, language moves and changes. I don't use jumper to mean sweater, but I would use flat to mean apartment (and do). Unless it's actually confusing or really stands out (as with a man in a pregnant-looking dress), I shouldn't think it's that big an issue.

Or, I suppose, there's an absolute threshold below which dialect and variant vocabulary are not noticeable to me, and then above that threshold it's a game of "cosmopolitan, ignorant, or trying too hard?"

Whereas more than 2-3 words in a foreign language automatically qualify as "trying too hard", for me, and that goes double on TV, and that goes triple when the TV actors don't actually speak that language. (Bad Firefly! Alias gets a pass only because (a) Vaughn is French and (b) they sometimes use subtitles.) Foreign words with translation -- trying too hard but at least concerned about the reader; foreign words without translation -- probably the author is being snotty. Heaven knows, I have been snotty, but that does nto stop me from hating it in other people.


Beverly - Oct 14, 2003 1:25:46 pm PDT #6370 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I shouldn't think it's that big an issue.

'Scuse me for being way OT, but I just really need to kiss Nutty's feet here. Not "that big of an issue." No, precious, "that big an issue." Thank you!


Rebecca Lizard - Oct 14, 2003 2:12:54 pm PDT #6371 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Connie Neil - Oct 14, 2003 6:02:33 pm PDT #6372 of 10000
brillig

So the Brits say "mobile" instead of "cell phone"? This is important because Ethan is yelling at Giles for not having modern communications equipment.


erikaj - Oct 14, 2003 6:05:35 pm PDT #6373 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah...but you might want that confirmed by actual UKers...so I'll just find an elsewhere to be.


Connie Neil - Oct 14, 2003 6:06:48 pm PDT #6374 of 10000
brillig

I bet all the UKers are in bed by now. Piffle, I want to finish this tonight.