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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Oct 14, 2003 4:16:19 am PDT #6342 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

A more extreme version of this phenomenon shows up in anime fandom. Some fans are hyper-aware of the shows' Japanese origins, to the point where their fics are larded with Japanese words or phrases when it's totally not necessary for the plot. Entire conversations may even be in Japanese. It's gotten to the point where some fics have footnotes and glossaries.

Firefly fandom has something similar at times-- because the show used Chinese words, people try and copy that, but they don't get the translations right (I'm told), and they have to put footnotes, and stuff. It can work, but it can be overdone (and the show itself struggled, I think). The whole question of what's atmosphere and colour, and what just gets in the way of telling to story, is a very thorny one.


amych - Oct 14, 2003 4:20:50 am PDT #6343 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I wouldn't worry about the spellings in your SV story, Am, any more than you worry about our not understanding "realise" around here -- and, in fact, I'd be annoyed on your behalf at anyone who wanted them changed. Things like color vs. colour are utterly transparent, and I've never been thrown by them. It's the "he'd never say that" moments that make a story go wrong, on either side of the language question.

(That said, the letter or diary is an interesting case -- I'd probably side with the beta on that one, since in theory you're reproducing the character's words. But on the other hand, it'd make UK vs. US spellings much more of an issue than it ever really is, because the switching back and forth could really draw attention to them. Hmm. Must ponder. Must find examples on both sides. Must waste another day not getting anything useful done. Go team me.)


Anne W. - Oct 14, 2003 4:22:10 am PDT #6344 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

The whole question of what's atmosphere and colour, and what just gets in the way of telling to story, is a very thorny one.

I think that if someone were to dive into a foxhole just as a bomb went off, that I would interpret their shout of "Xplrgl!!!" as some sort of expletive. That's the sort of foreign word usage that doesn't bother me. Oaths, expletives, etc. are all fair game, as are nicknames ("mei-mei" for "little sister," and that sort of thing).

Saying "Passe-moi du sel, s'il te plait," (Pass the salt, please) is just unnecessary set-decoration, unless a character's inability to understand a language (or unwillingness to speak a certain language) is important to plot or character development.


Hil R. - Oct 14, 2003 4:23:40 am PDT #6345 of 10000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I had quite a fight with one beta when I was writing in M*A*S*H fandom-- I wrote a section of diary or letter, in an American voice, and she wanted me to use American spellings in it. I forget what I decided in the end, but it wasn't an easy choice to make.

My initial reaction to something like this would be "It's written, of course it should have American spellings," but then I thought about how weird that would look in a story that had British spellings otherwise. Interesting question.

The US version of the latest Harry Potter book was terrible about the Americanisms/Britishisms thing. I thought the editors went way too far with the "translations" in the previous books (when I was a kid, I always thought it was cool to find out that people said lorry or bonnet or jumper, and I found it really distracting to be reading an obviously British kids book with trucks and hoods and sweaters), but in the latest one, it seemed like they only switched phrases that had been introduced in previous books (like "Weasley sweater") and left it alone otherwise, so sometimes the same garment would be referred to as a sweater and a jumper within a page or two of each other.

I never would have noticed "gotten" in something I'd written. I know that British people don't say "gotten," but it's so ingrained in my head as just a word, not a specifically American one, that if I was writing Harry Potter stuff, I'd have to have a British beta to catch things like that.


shrift - Oct 14, 2003 4:25:38 am PDT #6346 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I wrote a section of diary or letter, in an American voice, and she wanted me to use American spellings in it.

It's a difficult decision to make. I suppose I should use Canadian spelling when writing from Fraser's POV, but generally I don't. For me, it's a fine line to walk so that I'm not entering into that pseudo-intellectual arrogance territory. When a story is highly stylized anyway, I feel more free to play, but I always worry that I'm mucking things up, you know?

Mostly I tend to write like an American, because that's what I know, even if I betray myself at times by saying things like "in hospital" and "at university".

Joy. I'm working myself into a neurotic dance of paranoia. I'll probably go home tonight and dig through all my fanfic on a mission to eradicate umpty-billion glaring errors. Whee!


§ ita § - Oct 14, 2003 4:28:04 am PDT #6347 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I suppose I should use Canadian spelling when writing from Fraser's POV

Well, you're lucky there, since I was told the Canucks go either way.


Anne W. - Oct 14, 2003 4:30:26 am PDT #6348 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Well, you're lucky there, since I was told the Canucks go either way.

With Fraser, it's practically canon, anyway...


Lyra Jane - Oct 14, 2003 4:31:50 am PDT #6349 of 10000
Up with the sun

I think that spellings are pretty transparent, but usage and vocabulary aren't.


shrift - Oct 14, 2003 4:36:00 am PDT #6350 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I was told the Canucks go either way.

Well, Fraser certainly does. Oh, wait --

Fandom is a strange beastie. I once had someone e-mail me about a story because I had not used the French spelling of dishabille. Granted, I believe Fraser would have this information at the ready, but there is nitpicking, and then there is callous and strange nitpicking.

Apropos of very little, you know what I love? Canadian dictionaries have entries for "eh," and this pleases me.


Hil R. - Oct 14, 2003 4:36:54 am PDT #6351 of 10000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

On the language issue, there was something I was reading (I'm pretty sure it was RENTfic) where two of the characters were having a conversation in Spanish, and the entire thing, including the "How are you doing? Are you well?" "Yes, Mama. Have you heard from Carlos lately?" things that weren't relevant to the story at all, were written in Spanish, then had the English translation in brackets. But the Spanish translations were obviously done by just running the dialague through bablefish.

And the thing was, this was a phone conversation, and the main character was in a room with someone who didn't know Spanish. The author could have easily written two lines of the conversation in Spanish, then switch to mentioning that this other character was bored because he couldn't understand was was going on, then just get in the last line of Spanish and have him ask what had just happened. It would have annoyed me so much less.