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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Nutty - Jul 20, 2003 12:32:27 pm PDT #5832 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Connie N. has a point, in re warnings for specific things that are non-mainstream elements. Generally, I'm keyword-free -- I've become more radical in this regard as I've gone along -- but boy, it sucks to open a story during down time at work and then realize it involves rape and torture. I might read the story at home, but not at work.

My solution historically to solve problems like this is to use HBO detailed ratings. (You know, that you see before the movie starts.) R -- for violence, scariness, bad language, and sexuality. NC-17 -- for gore (I have done this only once). It establishes reasonable boundaries of expectation, without giving anything away; and I would expect to see rape/noncon in that list (in fact, HBO does warn for that!) but nothing as specific as character death. And I wish other people would do the HBO thing! Not many do.

I mostly filter what I read, now, by reading only what others have recommended. When I was reading "raw feed" though -- off usenet --, I certainly filtered by judging whether, as shown in the headers, the author trusted me to read as an intelligent adult. Part of that trusting involved me not feeling like I'd already read the story, before I'd started reading the story.

(I suspect my stance got radicalized when people started "warning" for non-OTP. Like, I have read stories where the pairing was irrelevant due to plot choices, where authors have warned that there was no salient pairing. This drives me bananas, because I never warn people that I do not drive a tank. I just show up, not driving a tank, and assume people will clue in and live with it.)


Dana - Jul 21, 2003 6:15:55 am PDT #5833 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

(Is it true or apocryphal that there were required haircut warnings in Sentinel? I've never quite believed it, but I know I've seen that claimed.)

It's not true. On the SENAD list, which was the major list at the time for Sentinel discussion (might still be, hell if I know), someone requested that people warn about haircutting. She was pretty well immediately mocked, but she was apparently serious. It was never a required warning, though.


Katie M - Jul 21, 2003 6:26:17 am PDT #5834 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Oh, good. That makes me feel better.


P.M. Marc - Jul 21, 2003 6:34:19 am PDT #5835 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Too funny. It's, umm. Hurt/Comfort. No. Really.


Katie M - Jul 21, 2003 6:35:54 am PDT #5836 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I mean, sure it says it wants to mirror my rapes scenes with some healing sex for a pleasingly symmetrical emotional plot arc, but all it really wants is a roll in the hay.

t dies laughing


Lyra Jane - Jul 21, 2003 8:24:00 am PDT #5837 of 10000
Up with the sun

My solution historically to solve problems like this is to use HBO detailed ratings. (You know, that you see before the movie starts.) R -- for violence, scariness, bad language, and sexuality. NC-17 -- for gore (I have done this only once). It establishes reasonable boundaries of expectation, without giving anything away; and I would expect to see rape/noncon in that list (in fact, HBO does warn for that!) but nothing as specific as character death. And I wish other people would do the HBO thing! Not many do.

That's a really good idea.

In general, I'm where everyone else is -- don't want to know if anyone dies, do want to get a general sense of what I'm getting into in terms of violence/sex/etc. And I want to know the pairing, because it gives me an idea how to interpret things.


erikaj - Jul 21, 2003 10:34:04 am PDT #5838 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!

OK, I've got some fics in mind but I need some info. first. One is like added scene to Joyce's funeral, where Hank comes, cause I always thought it unbelievable that he wouldn't, and for that one, I need to know what sort of little gift a man might send his daughters from Spain? Any special candy? Castanets for Dawnie? Secondly, for a Giles fic:If you're a Giles and an attorney, what sort of lawyer are you?What would be considered the most respectable?


Fred Pete - Jul 21, 2003 10:45:02 am PDT #5839 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.

Erika, I'll take a stab at that last question. Different types of lawyers do have different images, but I'm not sure which would be the most respectable.

I could see Giles as a partner in a very old, established small firm. The firms' clients are largely the local social elite, who have turned to Mason, Rivington, and Giles since their grandparents were children.

Giles himself probably does a lot of estate planning. This involves quite a bit of writing wills. He can discourse ad nauseum on obscure points of (real) property law that still exist mainly because the medieval English went to great lengths to ensure that land stayed in the family. (Unfortunately, all I remember about the Rule in Shelley's Case is that such a thing exists.)

He probably acts as trustee on a number of trusts. Occasionally, he'll appear in court to probate a client's estate.

IOW, very respectable. Not very exciting. Very in keeping with Giles' personality in the early seasons.


erikaj - Jul 21, 2003 10:50:00 am PDT #5840 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, I kind of thought it would be that sort of thing, as opposed to say, representing smutty comedians or something.(Although they need representation, too, sometimes.)


Nutty - Jul 21, 2003 10:55:52 am PDT #5841 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Or, read the first 20 pages of Josephine Tey's Brat Farrar, in which a long-lost older son returns to home and hearth -- he contacts the nice, respectable family lawyer first, because he is polite that way -- and because he is the older (of twins), he inherits and his brother gets practically nothing. Sort of explains (to me) old-school British lawyering and the weird way property works in Britain, all in one.

Trinkets from Spain: there is a particular kind of damascene pottery made in Toledo, which is black pottery with intricate gold-wire twirlies on the side, made almost exclusively these days for tourists. Cordoba seems to be where people buy swords, if they're going to buy swords. All I can remember that they sell in Barcelona is flipflops, which you can get anywhere.