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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Susan W. - May 02, 2003 1:03:46 pm PDT #5362 of 10000
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Interesting, Vonnie. I usually read fanfic because I'm interested in the characters, but want to explore some area that the original source material can't or won't go into--sometimes that means 'shippier and/or sexier, sometimes more introspective than a visual medium can easily be, sometimes taking characters far into the future or exploring their pasts.


Vonnie K - May 02, 2003 2:11:35 pm PDT #5363 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

See, I'm actually quite fond of past or future-fic, but I'd *still* want it to be feasible/compatible with the premise of the show. For example, a fang-gang story set in the past or a historical slayer fic would have very little problem inserting itself into the Buffy-canon--I love stories like these. For X-files and Stargate, I love dystopian future fic/post-colonization/AU stories, because these types of storyline can be a very real outgrowth from the premise laid out in the show.

Fic preferences are weird things, aren't they. When it comes down to it, you like what you like, and that's that.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 2:13:46 pm PDT #5364 of 10000
brillig

When it comes down to it, you like what you like, and that's that.

I have such plebian tastes. Well-written schmoop with a touch of hurt/comfort, and I'm a happy woman. Oh, and if there are hell's own obstacles to get through before the couple gets to be together (no picket fences required, a safe but ruined bolthole somewhere together is sufficient), and I'll save it to my hard drive.


Corinna - May 02, 2003 4:31:58 pm PDT #5365 of 10000
Bill, my friend, strange deeds are afoot at the Circle K.

Because the big divide I seem to see is external/internal journey, where a lot of the time I see plotty defined as the external WRT: fic. But it's not a distinction I see so much outside of fanfic, which could just be how I limit my reading.

Well, a lot of people get interested in fanfic because they want to spend more time in a character's head, and certainly that’s a valid reason to write fanfic, but it’s not necessarily going to have a plot that way. Also, lack of plot is a really common problem among novice writers -- they (we) spend so much time inside their own heads anyhow that it seems natural that their characters would as well. And that’s why a lot of student fiction involves solitary characters on a journey -- the physical movement stands in for the emotional movement that should happen as the character interacts with other people. (God knows this is something I’ve done myself, and plot development is a real issue for me in my OC fiction.)

But, to paraphrase the writer and teacher Ethan Canin, plot is what you use to distract the reader so you can pick her pockets. That is to say, the external journey is there to get you to the internal journey, which is going to be what the reader gets emotionally involved in. To take examples from my own work, because I can, the internal journey in one of my favorite stories, "The Seven Year Itch," is about Lex coming to terms with the idea that Clark can be both Clark and Superman, and the changes in Clark’s life don’t have to mean an end to their relationship. The kidnappers are just there to push Lex to that realization -- that Superman isn’t this stranger in their relationship -- and are kind of a Macguffin, really. In my new story, (gratuitous self-pimpage moment ahoy!) Some Like It Hot, the boyband holds Lex and Lois hostage so they can learn to tolerate and even appreciate one another -- and also because being taken hostage by a boyband is always funny. In another, more in-depth example, Resonant’s “Transfigurations,” the battle for Hogwarts is on one level just there to bring Harry and Draco together; what makes that story good is that the emotional plot pushes the external plot along, and the external plot pushes the emotional plot along. Plot is what it takes to move these characters from suspicion to trust, to get you invested in seeing the relationship work out, to make the happy ending sweet. If “Transfigurations” was just Harry musing on Draco, it’d be a lot less interesting, and probably a lot shorter.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 10:26:19 pm PDT #5366 of 10000
brillig

OK, a request to those who know the Harry Potter fandom better than I -- I've got a scene stuck in my head that I read somewhere, but I can't think which story it is. Something is threatening Hogwarts and a first-year Slytherin girl in the entry hall is close to having hysterics. Draco is telling her, I believe, that Slytherins don't cry and she needs to get a grip. Harry is watching and being disgusted by Draco's apparent callousness, but the girl pulls herself together and all the first-years are apparently convinced that Draco is the one to get them through whatever crisis is upon them.

Am I hallucinating? Does this sound familiar? Have the deja vu plot bunnies snuck in under the rabbit proof fence and left little landmines of ideas? (I don't know the HP-verse nearly well enough to attempt fic, and anyway I'm convinced Draco/Neville is the OTP.)


Holli - May 02, 2003 11:06:34 pm PDT #5367 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

I'm convinced Draco/Neville is the OTP.

Well, yes. As are all sane people, at least the ones who don't have a strange and frightening love for Xander/Faith, like I do.

Did that sentence have a point? No. Did it run on spectacularly? Yes.


esse - May 03, 2003 9:44:55 am PDT #5368 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Has anyone else actually written Draco/Neville? Or is the LOP-verse it?


Sophia Brooks - May 05, 2003 2:05:54 pm PDT #5369 of 10000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Hi-- I know that there aren't a lot of Spike/Buffy readers in here, but I thought I had asked.

A while ago I started reading a post season 6 pre-season 7 WIP. I can't remember where, the title or the author. The story involves Spike recuperating from his resouling in England with Giles and Willow. Buffy comes over and they end up riding to London on the back of his motorcycle. He has to meet with the Watcher's Council, and he sends Buffy to get a room in a boarding house/hostel thing while he does that. He comes back and they have some akward moments, and at some point they go out to dinner with a couple of his friends. Anyway-- if this sounds familiar to anyone, please let me know


Melusina - May 05, 2003 8:56:13 pm PDT #5370 of 10000
Nice is different than good.

Sophia, this sounds like it might be the story you're looking for - "Half Gifts" - [link] I've only read the beginning but it sounds very similar to what you've described.


Sophia Brooks - May 06, 2003 3:43:29 am PDT #5371 of 10000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

That's exactly it! Thank you!

Of course, not finished....