I should warn you, prolonged discussion of this topic in public almost always results in CC's fans popping up to defend her (and occasionally abuse her critics). Jintian's blog got a lot of anonymous comments, not all of them positive, after she went through that exercise.
Xander: Hey, Red. What you got in the basket, little girl? Buffy: Weapons.
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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers
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Consuela - May 02, 2003 9:49:49 am PDT #5306 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
P.M. Marc - May 02, 2003 10:24:52 am PDT #5307 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
So, rapidly changing the subject...
Err...
Serious question here...
How do you all define "plotty"?
Theodosia - May 02, 2003 10:27:41 am PDT #5308 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Plotty? As in having the emphasis on plot events rather than character reaction to happenings, emotional epiphanies, PWPs and all that?
Consuela - May 02, 2003 10:28:57 am PDT #5309 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Well, I didn't mean to derail the conversation, just thought that a warning might be appropriate. We're a lot more public than we used to be, here.
Lyra Jane - May 02, 2003 10:30:49 am PDT #5310 of 10000
Up with the sun
To me, "plotty" means the point of the story is the unfolding events, not character interactions or character development (or The Sex.)
Katie M - May 02, 2003 10:32:59 am PDT #5311 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
How do you all define "plotty"?
Something happens above and beyond "and then they got together." Also, I'd say it usually has to be fairly long - it'd be tough to write a plotty vignette.
Huh - poking at my reaction a little more I think it has to do most of all with how embedded in an outside world a story is. A story which was written to get them together can still be plotty if it feels like it's happening in a real world, where other things have an impact on the characters and vice versa.
Am-Chau Yarkona - May 02, 2003 10:35:35 am PDT #5312 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty
As in having the emphasis on plot events rather than character reaction to happenings, emotional epiphanies
In my world emotional epiphanies are plot events.
Um.
People write PWPs that are plotty by my standards, too.
P.M. Marc - May 02, 2003 10:35:51 am PDT #5313 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Plotty? As in having the emphasis on plot events rather than character reaction to happenings, emotional epiphanies, PWPs and all that?
Define plot events. I'm feeling very short bus this morning.
amych - May 02, 2003 10:37:57 am PDT #5314 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
"Plotty" to me doesn't necessarily mean that the plot and not the character development is the point. I've certainly seen plotty stories whose entire point was ultimately some emotional arc. For me, it means a story in which a lot happens, and at a steady pace throughout -- rather than one where the characters sit around and chat or brood or contemplate their navel lint.
P.M. Marc - May 02, 2003 10:39:36 am PDT #5315 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Huh - poking at my reaction a little more I think it has to do most of all with how embedded in an outside world a story is. A story which was written to get them together can still be plotty if it feels like it's happening in a real world, where other things have an impact on the characters and vice versa.
So, I'm working on something now that's at 13000 words. It may have started to get slightly potentially shippy about 3000 words ago, more or less. And it's been insanely claustrophobic, by the nature of some corners I painted myself into early on in the game.
I'm trying to determine if it's plotty.