(Is that true? Does sex really affect that? Maybe I've been having the wrong sex)

If it were really, um, athletic sex, he might be tired.

(good for him. but he needs to work on his conditioning)

It should be part of the conditioning routine. Umm, in a perfect world. Which is not my world.

In Fantasy Football, aren't the players paid for the use of their likeness? Or am I smoking monkey crack?

Hil, I am in no way trying to get you or anyone to like/approve of RPS, and I fully respect the distaste and disapproval expressed here towards RPS. (Were I less honest, I should certainly go for the easier route of just keeping my head down rather than engaging in any kind of discussion here, because I'm so not up for a row. But I think that there are interesting questions raised by some of the pieces of RPS I've read, in terms of function and form, and I respect you all too much to misrepresent my stance, even if it means I lower your opinion of me in the process. Honesty best policy and all that.)

I think perhaps you thought I was trying to gloss over the sex, or say 'hey, it's no more offensive than fantasy football'? Because if that's how it came across - I'm totally not trying to do that. The sex is, obviously, central to the RPF that we're discussing.

I know it's the morality/otherwise that everyone else is discussing here, but that's not what I was addressing. I'm not even touching the whether-its-offensive-or-intrusive thing in the above post, because yes, it it intrusive and offensive and I've no interest in flogging a dead horse about the ethics or otherwise of RPS. But do find the way that (I understand) it functions as a form of fanfiction without any narrative structure an interesting question, and that's all I was addressing.

I'm interested in the question of WHY the hell people do use N'Sync rather than N'HairGel to loosely contextualise their flights of pornalicious fantasy (or indeed to send the N'Sync boys off to Pern, or what have you) and I'm positing that the relationship between fanwriter and real person is akin to that between fantasyfootball league player and real footballplayer (as well as having some similarities to the fiction-derived fanfiction I'm more familiar with). It's using real world events & details (which are out of the control of the fans) as the source material for spinning artificial reality, and I dare say that this is a damn sight easier than maintaining an elaborate roman a clef.

I have no quibbles with anyone finding that outrageous/offensive/whatever and am not trying to dispute their right to that stance. I was simply looking at the way that (from my limited understanding & experience of the genre) it seems to function.

But do find the way that (I understand) it functions as a form of fanfiction without any narrative structure an interesting question, and that's all I was addressing.

That's how I took your comments, FayJay.

In Fantasy Football, aren't the players paid for the use of their likeness? Or am I smoking monkey crack?

gulp.

...okay, my first hand knowledge of Fantasy Football is even smaller than my first hand knowledge of RPS, but in the UK I very much doubt that the players are paid for the use of their likeness. I was under the impression that it was very much an informal thing - I mean, I know friends who play, and whose offices have their own fantasy football leagues, and how the hell footballers or managers are supposed to know that Fred Bloggs in the accounts department has a virtual football team comprising X, Y and Z player, whilst Lucy Jenkins in Personnel has a virtual football team comprising A, B and C is beyond me.

But I too may be smoking monkey crack. Space monkey crack.

FayJay, I was thinking of the X-Box, etc, retail games, not RPGs. So my bad.

it functions as a form of fanfiction without any narrative structure an interesting question

My experience with fantasy sports isn't close to that. It's so narrative free that a computer can do it, and the PEOPLE are nigh irrelevant. It's based on algorithm A, scenario B would have turned out this way, aren't I clever for having assembled team C, all hail my football-fu.

There's ifs tacked along the whole thing, in a way that fiction can't do. The fiction-if is tacked right at the beginning, but fantasy football has it at the start of every "sentence".