I love constructive criticism, but mostly I get ... well, "I wish you hadn't used second-person pov, it's strange and alienating" or "I don't see what this has to do with the show you're ostensibly writing about." Only I'm paraphrasing, because I don't feel like looking up the exact wording. I don't think anyone has used the word "ostensible" in feedback to me, which is a shame, because I'm fond of it.

Granted, it's hard to write detailed feedback for very very short vignettes; I think people who write long stories probably get more of it.

And by "constructive" I do mean negative points as well as positive ones. I think the only bit I've gotten--aside from betas--is someone who disagreed with my Darla characterization and told me why.

I've been reading too much of the Bureaucracy thread. I want to offer a PROPOSAL:

That anyone who doesn't think Micole is a marvelous writer and her fic are gems of painful beauty should be sentenced to three weeks of playing kitten poker with Riley and Parker and Scott Hope.

Feh.

Aw, you're sweet. I'm not in a bad mood about fic feedback at the moment. (Very! Impatient! for the last remix stories to get in and the glorious and hardworking Victoria P. to put them up.)

Of course, I always want more, more, MORE feedback, but mostly it's all been very pleasant. That's the problem: I feel like it's not real unless someone can point out what I'm doing wrong.

The really wrong-headed stuff just amuses me at this point.

That anyone who doesn't think Micole is a marvelous writer and her fic are gems of painful beauty should be sentenced to three weeks of playing kitten poker with Riley and Parker and Scott Hope.

I think Micole is wonderful, but I'm up for kitten poker if it's strip poker for Riley (I like big guys) and I can smack Parker and Scott.

I have gotten really very little feedback on what I've written. Kinda made it feel like I was going out into a vacuum, but for most of it I was reasonably content with the exercise, so it was okay.

morning.

I mean, I want to feel like I'm being constructive, and I mostly focus on "well, I thought this worked and I thought this was why," but then I feel like I ought to talk about the things that didn't work for me and why too

I think everyone needs or wants different things when it comes to feedback. Personally? I'm still trying to figure out if or whether there is or should be any difference between what I find utile in fic feedback and what I find utile in, say, a novel or short story. I don't think so, because I have a tendency to create my own universes and people them with a mixture of original and fandom characters: Darla's enclosed litle predation in Tuscany, Oxford in the sixties using Giles et al, Amanda Lisle's floating house as a refuge in an alternate "Gift" ending. So I do try to avoid giving the non-mine characters tats and bobs not there by canon, but I also want them in a very delicate little dance in my settings, with my characters.

And I think that's where the fic crit might be very different from the non-fic crit (straight crit? mainstream crit? Not sure what to call it). If a fan of the show and canon sees something in one of the characters that hits an alarm buzzer - "why would you make Fishcakes do that?" - it's precisely what I want to know.

One thing I refuse to either do or read, no matter the setting? Trashing stuff. I can't stand people who trash other peoples' work. In the days when I wrote book reviews, if I didn't like the book, I declined to review it. (On non-fiction, though, all bets are off; sloppy research and presentation gets me reaching for a flame-throwing pen....)

Very! Impatient! for the last remix stories to get in and the glorious and hardworking Victoria P. to put them up.

Not. Enough. Word. In. The. World.

I am so insanely curious.

I don't send constructive crit. I do that when I'm betaing, and it takes enough energy there that I'd rather not do it to someone's finished product.

Which actually, brings me to another question. I know I'm not the only one here listed as a beta on a few sites. When you get and accept a beta request, how thorough are you, if it's someone you don't know and have never heard of before? Do you make sure to point out the things that work as well as the things that don't work?

When you get and accept a beta request, how thorough are you, if it's someone you don't know and have never heard of before?

I tend to gauge what's needed by the quality of what I get, I'm afraid. If it's full of spelling errors and has no grasp of grammar, I correct that as gently as possibly and try to find a couple of good things to say about the plot/characters. I don't worry about little plot holes. If it's correct on the surface, then I dig deeper, looking at plot, structure, characters, whatever. I do try and find something good and something bad about it, because it's the beta readers who tell me 'this is good, but you could improve this' who help me most.

If it were someone I didn't know and was likely not to know, I might be a bit harder, though I hope I would encourage. If it's someone I know who I can tell is on the right track, I'd probably encourage more and be very diplomatic about improvements (unless I knew they weren't likely to hunt me down for criticizing their cosmic dictation, which is always my first reaction when someone points out my errors).

Has anyone ever received something from a writer with lots of enthusiasm and no talent or skill whatsoever? I don't know what I'd do if some perky person with all the hope and excitement in the world handed me a piece of hopeless writing. Except be envious of their self-confidence.

Has anyone ever received something from a writer with lots of enthusiasm and no talent or skill whatsoever?

That's the point at which I plead over-commitments and bow out gracefully.

Connie, you're the opposite of me. I'm softer on people I don't know as well, and harsh as hell on my regulars. They're my regulars because they can take it.