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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


UTTAD - Apr 13, 2003 8:25:52 pm PDT #4708 of 10000
Strawberry disappointment.

No, no. Straight slash or gay slash. Couldn't give a toss either way. I'm not sure if I can explain this.

Okay ... BtVS and Angel, these two shows have impressed me so much that they've moved me to writing fanfic about them. But what I've got to go on is the episodes of the shows. So if I see a Wesley/Angel fic, or a Willow/Riley fic or whatever I'm like, that's not the thing that has inspired me to write in the first place, because canonically that realtionship doesn't exist.

I'm hyper aware that the Buffistas are all about the slash, but I'm taking a stand and saying that there's quite a few stretches out there:-) e.g. I don't believe Xander ever wanted sex with Angel, or any number of other fics.
It's the canon that inspired me, if it's not canon, then why would I try to write it?
Lack of vocal intonation and hand gestures make this difficult to explain. :-)


UTTAD - Apr 13, 2003 8:29:16 pm PDT #4709 of 10000
Strawberry disappointment.

P.M. Marcontell Aargh. This is going to sound awful. Please don't take it the wrong way. I just feel that the Buffyverse (that includes Angel) is so rich, that to simply write fics that are slashy does an enormous disservice to the world that ME have created.


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2003 8:29:52 pm PDT #4710 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you write stuff that doesn't diverge from canon, UTTAD? Also, with no original characters? How tied are you precisely what we've seen?


P.M. Marc - Apr 13, 2003 8:30:59 pm PDT #4711 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

No, no. Straight slash or gay slash. Couldn't give a toss either way. I'm not sure if I can explain this.

Slash isn't straight.

So, it's Unconventional Parings that you have an issue with.

As I've said, there's a lot of subtext to play with. Faith/Lilah:

(NOTE TO DIRECTOR AND ACTORS: Mind the lesbian subtext -- keep it very "sub".)

So, while not canon as in not aired, it is something that the Men and Women Behind the Curtain are well aware of, and play with.


UTTAD - Apr 13, 2003 8:32:06 pm PDT #4712 of 10000
Strawberry disappointment.

ita, so far any fic I've written doesn't impact on the MEverse as has been written in the TV shows.


P.M. Marc - Apr 13, 2003 8:33:18 pm PDT #4713 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I just feel that the Buffyverse (that includes Angel) is so rich, that to simply write fics that are slashy does an enormous disservice to the world that ME have created.

See above. I think that *NOT* using the subtext is like letting the gift horse go without food and water for a few weeks.

Because honestly, when you have

Angel eyefucks Lindsey as the cop slaps the cuffs on. Lindsey leans in to Angel...

In the script directions? They're just *begging* you to slash 'em


askye - Apr 13, 2003 8:33:50 pm PDT #4714 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Non canonical het relationships aren't really called slash. (Okay, there are some groups who do consider it slash, but I'm...old school-ish enough in my reading, to consider only non canonical same sex relationships slash).

UTTAD, do you not see subtext in stories at all?

I'm not talking about romantic or sexual subtext but little clues that are given about things like power struggles or character dynamics that are implied but never outright stated?


askye - Apr 13, 2003 8:37:00 pm PDT #4715 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Well, really fanfic doesn't influence the shows, it's not about trying to influence the shows, it's about playing with the "what ifs" and missing scenes and "could have beens" and all the little details that are never, can never, be adequetaly explored.

It's all the various interperations of the characters. How I see them, how Ple or Rosavere, or Jenny O, or you see them. I like that, I like seeing how other people interpert what they see on screen, it doesn't always match how I interpert the show.

So reading a story that has an idea I never thought of, a way of looking at the characters I don't is cool, like trying on a new pair of eyes.


Consuela - Apr 13, 2003 8:41:06 pm PDT #4716 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

UTTAD, it's cool. There are plenty of people out there who write and read fic just for what you're looking for: they want MORE than we get on the show. Not different, just MORE.

There's nothing wrong with that.

As for your question about slash, I think you may be conflating slash with any kind of sexual noncanonical pairing. Slash is, historically, non-canonical and same-sex. So Willow/Riley may be noncanonical but isn't slash, per se. (Despite the use of / in the description of the pairing. *g*)

Asking why people in general write slash or anything else is going to get you dozens of different answers. I don't mind the question, myself -- what gets me uncomfortable is when someone who doesn't write tries to answer it -- or when a writer tries to answer for all writers. That never ends well. We all have our own reasons for writing, and those reasons may change over time, and from show to show.


UTTAD - Apr 13, 2003 8:41:59 pm PDT #4717 of 10000
Strawberry disappointment.

P.M. Marcontell:
Yeah, well the way I've always undestood the term "slash" is because it came from the "/" from between the character names. So straight or otherwise as I said, couldn't give a fuck.

And I've read the shooting script as well. The keeping Faith and Lilah very sub, that to me was used merely as a mechanism to get Faith and Lilah out of the club and in front of the limo.
But that's neither here nor there on what I'm trying to say.

As I said in my previous post, and I know this sounds all terrible, it's just that the MEverse is so rich that to just try to pair up couples seems, to me, to do that 'verse a disservice.

I am aware that there are some fantastic Slash fics out there, it's just that there so much more that could be done.

God, I'm really coming off like a complete arse here.

This is really a thing of personal taste, I was just wanting an explanation as to why slash was so popular, not a defense of it.