Yes! I was flabbergasted at the Willow/Giles vibe, too. Some of it is "Oh, look, an heir for the Watchers," but the potential is there for more. and Willow has acknowledged that she had a crush on Giles (hasn't she? I may read too much fic). One fic I read had Anya referring in passing to Giles' covert watching of Willow and saying "Old man, young girl, it happens, he'd be horrified if he thought anyone knew. It'll pass."

My personal squick is lovingly described depictions of torture, real torture meant to hurt and break. There are a lot of Angelus stories I have to skim. I don't care if some part of William gets off on it or if Angelus is super-sweet afterwards, it ain't a place my mind wants to go.

I think my age-cut-off is more dependent on how self-aware the person is. If you've got a 13-year-old capable of making an intelligent decision about sex, sure, go for it. But if you got a very innocent 19-year-old (they exist, they do) and someone takes advantage of them, it's upsetting.

She mentions having a crush on Giles in the episode where Giles is singing "Behind Blue Eyes"...it's on the soundclip I have.

I can't imagine a 13 capable of making an intelligent decision about sex, but I'm probably basing my judgment to closely on the various 13 year olds that I have known. (By that I mean, he/she may well be out there.)

I can't imagine a 13 capable of making an intelligent decision about sex

Neither can I. Which is a great deal of the problem. And I read all this HP stuff of them finding their true loves in school, and all I can think is "They're too young! In five years they'll despise each other!" Though threats of war do pretty much throw reasonability out the window.

I read all this HP stuff of them finding their true loves in school, and all I can think is "They're too young! In five years they'll despise each other!"

True. But so often teens, because they have never been in love before, can't imagine that they could ever feel that way again.

I do know two couples who first got together in HS & were still happily married in their 30s. I would hate to think of either couple ever breaking up.

I have a branch of the family where all 4 girls lost their virginity at 13. There's a surprising range of reaction there.

Yeah, my older sister married her high school sweetheart and are apparently still going strong. (I seem to be persona non grata with that sector of the family, so I may not be on the updates list.)

Two of my cousins are married to their high schools girlfriends. Both relationships have been different but both couples seem to be very happy.

t sap

My parents started dating in high school, and today is their 50th anniversary!

t /sap

But they were, like, 16 or 17. 13 is an entirely different story.

13 is an entirely different story.

Which is absolutely true. But when you're 13 you aren't thinking about 20 years down the road, and if it feels like a grand passion, then fair enough. I mean, wrod, I think 13 is ickle and way too young to be having the sex, but I also think that to some extent this is culturally determined & environmental. But that might just be because of Romeo and Juliet.