Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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DavidS - May 18, 2007 8:38:57 am PDT #8591 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The diving-away-from-fireballs thing reminds me of seeing early Western serials from the 30s-50s. Fight scenes were a big part of their appeal, but they look so stodgy and boring now. Just a complete waste of film stock.

As I've noted many times, one of the things I loved in the Pruitt-era Buffy fight scenes is that they were not only dynamic and credible and physically interesting, but they had their own sort of narrative arc. The fight had its own dramatic up and down. That was lost entirely with the new fight coordinators and the gymkata stunt girl.

Tom Laughlin is nobody's idea of a martial arts great, but the scene in Billy Jack where he's standing nose to nose with the redneck baddie and says "I'm gonna take my foot and kick you in the head right there. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it" is very cool. But that has to do with the character, the story up to that point and the way they shoot that scene.

Michelle Yeoh has been in some of my favorite fight scenes. In the otherwise completely forgettable Project S she has a brutal fight with a huge guy. She gets the shit beat out of her but she wins. But it is by no means a given.

There's another historical HK movie she was in that involved a lot of fighting on bamboo scaffolding. Jet Li might've been in that.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 8:40:56 am PDT #8592 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

James Bond was doing all those things decades before other action movies were.

Other action movies? I thought Die Hard was the first.


Polter-Cow - May 18, 2007 8:44:08 am PDT #8593 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh chasquido.


Volans - May 18, 2007 8:48:03 am PDT #8594 of 10001
move out and draw fire

You know, you have to really work the cigar-chomping police supervisor who's trying to rein in his renegade hot shot cops.

This was one of the reasons I was an early adopter of the Deckard-is-a-replicant interpretation of Blade Runner. The twist on this cliche of making the sarge fairly terrified of his hot-shot cop was awesome.

Tom lists a lot of the reasons I never got on board with the James Bond love. For all its dumbass storyline, the recent Casino Royale did pretty well with these.


Kathy A - May 18, 2007 8:51:31 am PDT #8595 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Die Another Day had a huge disappointment for me when Bond did that obviously CGI'd surfing stunt. Bond doesn't do CGI--period! Casino Royale was a refreshing return to form. (Hearing my dad, disillusioned movie fan that he is, gasp at the construction-site chase showed me how effective that film was.)

Good characterizations are crucial in good action flicks, of course. You can have your cheesy one-note villains, but make sure they're performed by good actors who can make the scenery-chewing interesting (Alan Rickman in Die Hard, Dennis Hopper in Speed, even the ever-changing list of people playing the villain in The Hidden were distinguished by their love of fast cars and headbanging music). If your hero is going to be stoic (Keanu in Speed), pair him up with a well-defined sideman and give him an interesting love interest (Sandra Bullock's only really good work on film, IMO, was Annie--"Get your ass behind the yellow line!").


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 8:52:08 am PDT #8596 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For all its dumbass storyline, the recent Casino Royale did pretty well with these.

I do disagree with Tom on more than one of those reasons. Bond? Random love stories? Not that often, because he wasn't the love type. The most random of his loves, to me, was DEFINITELY Vesper Lynd. Not only did it make no sense to me, it was jammed down my throat violently enough to trigger my gag reflex.


§ ita § - May 18, 2007 8:54:51 am PDT #8597 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If your hero is going to be stoic (Keanu in Speed), pair him up with a well-defined sideman and give him an interesting love interest (Sandra Bullock's only really good work on film, IMO, was Annie--"Get your ass behind the yellow line!").

Hmm. Yeah. Hated Speed too. I thought Neo was stoic but Jack Traven was wooden.

And Dennis Hopper lost his second note somewhere around when Jack Nicholson did. Rickman, OTOH, was a thing of glory in a movie I didn't like.


Tom Scola - May 18, 2007 8:59:09 am PDT #8598 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There's another historical HK movie she was in that involved a lot of fighting on bamboo scaffolding. Jet Li might've been in that

Once Upon a Time in China. With a homage to it in a Xena episode.


DavidS - May 18, 2007 9:00:42 am PDT #8599 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Once Upon a Time in China. With a homage to it in a Xena episode.

That's not the one I'm thinking of, though obviously there are a lot of kung fu historical movies involving bamboo scaffold fighting.

I'll go look it up...


Theodosia - May 18, 2007 9:03:56 am PDT #8600 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Wasn't it the Jackie Chan movie where she plays his stepmom?