I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


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Polter-Cow - Apr 06, 2007 10:29:10 pm PDT #8089 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Grindhouse definitely needs to be experienced in a theater. It just wouldn't be the same on DVD. The fake trailers, oh my God.

I loved Rodriguez's half; I actually think it was a damn fine zombie movie. Well constructed, with characters you end up caring about. Fun dialogue, lots of explosions. It's just fun as hell, a real ride.

And then Tarantino's half is so...slow. It takes a looooooong time for anything interesting to happen, but once it does get going, it's pretty good. But I didn't really care about any of the characters, even though they talked way the fuck more.

The critics seem to prefer Tarantino's half, but I agree with the San Francisco Chronicle review, which sided with Rodriguez and said it felt like Tarantino didn't even try.


§ ita § - Apr 06, 2007 11:34:06 pm PDT #8090 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was making the same criticism of Tarantino's half. I admit, I don't like his stuff much (I adore Reservoir Dogs, and it pretty much ends there). His Death Proof I did quite like.

But he totally cheated. Robert Rodriguez was not missing much other than Kareem Abdul Jabbar in lycra. Man, he hit so many fucking schlock notes. He was just rolling around in the cheese.

Tarantino made a basically 'normal' movie, with some meta thrown in to tease.


Theodosia - Apr 07, 2007 1:51:20 am PDT #8091 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Does Tarantino's half go first, or can I safely get up and leave when it's clear Rodriguez's stuff is done?

Sean, 28 Days Later was shot on the street scenes without official permits, so there are strategicly placed PAs out of camera range ready to alert the production crew that the police are coming. Also, the film is shot entirely on hi-def video, so there was a whole lot less equipment AND they shot these scenes without sound. So they could go out to a couple streets just at dawn for several days running and capture the footage they needed.

Danny Boyle goes up in my estimation as a very resourceful director.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 07, 2007 3:14:09 am PDT #8092 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm still wondering how they got shots of London with absolutely no one in sight for 28 Days Later.

Also, the film is shot entirely on hi-def video, so there was a whole lot less equipment AND they shot these scenes without sound. So they could go out to a couple streets just at dawn for several days running and capture the footage they needed.

I'm disappointed. I'd hoped they announced that Dick Van Dyke was signing Mary Poppins DVDs and posters a few blocks away. Thus clearing the streets AND getting the filmmakers free footage of rage-filled mobs.


Theodosia - Apr 07, 2007 3:41:15 am PDT #8093 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

It's probably not a good idea to excite the wrath of union mobs -- they get extra-crazed when you've used non-union rioters.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 07, 2007 4:13:10 am PDT #8094 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

But he totally cheated...Tarantino made a basically 'normal' movie, with some meta thrown in to tease.

Well, yes and no. He took about several different grindhouse types (slasher flick, car chase/crash flick, chick revenge flick) and did a mash up with them and a ton of his usual dialog. But, really, that's basically what he usually does. In several ways, KILL BILL (especially Vol. 1) was more of a true "Grindhouse" movie.

Rodriguez was totally revelling in the cheese, though. And he makes me wonder where the hell Michael Biehn's been hiding all these years.


Nutty - Apr 07, 2007 4:25:28 am PDT #8095 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm still wondering how they got shots of London with absolutely no one in sight for 28 Days Later.

Not all of it was unlicensed -- they had to have that one shot with an overturned bus, which, I really hope they had a license for -- but it is a bit obvious that most of it is at dawn (probably on a Sunday) and tends to be short cuts, narrowly focussed, panoramic views of the river but not of the bank behind it, e.g.

Of course, what Londoners like to point out to you is that apparently Jim walked about 30 miles in the course of an hour, crossing the river twice, with several backtracks, just to make sure he eyeballed the most picturesque parts of center London on his lonely promenade.


Theodosia - Apr 07, 2007 4:34:13 am PDT #8096 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Hey, people who've just woken up from four weeks of coma move faster than you would suspect!


Jessica - Apr 07, 2007 4:57:33 am PDT #8097 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Does Tarantino's half go first, or can I safely get up and leave when it's clear Rodriguez's stuff is done?

I wish -- my preference would be to skip the zombie gore and watch only Tarantino's meta-pretention-arama. But Rodriguez' is first, so if I go I have to sit through both.

Mainly I just want to see Edgar Wright's Don't! trailer. Hopefully some kind person will put it online for me soon.


§ ita § - Apr 07, 2007 6:07:06 am PDT #8098 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Don't trailer was the weakest of them all, I think. Thanksgiving was hysterical. Gross as all get out, but hysterical.

He took about several different grindhouse types (slasher flick, car chase/crash flick, chick revenge flick) and did a mash up with them and a ton of his usual dialog.

I think it was a thematic mashup perhaps, but once he got halfway through, it just seemed like normal old Tarantino. Stylistically especially.