Anya: It's lovely! I wish it was mine! Oh like you weren't all thinking the same thing. Giles: I'm fairly certain I wasn't.

'The Killer In Me'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 24, 2007 7:55:43 am PST #7146 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Being "eh" on Raising Arizona is unpossible.

Does this mean I can do more unpossible things as well? 'Cause being able to alter the flow of time and work while other people (mainly my editors) are frozen in the moment would come in really handy for the next 5 weeks.

Man, from the headlines I totally thought it was Jessica Biel, who's my current favourite for the role. Jill's okay, though.

I just hope she can lose her Southern accent, which was charming additional color for Krista but would be considerably less charming for someone raised by a reclusive society of ancient Greek women.


§ ita § - Jan 24, 2007 7:57:43 am PST #7147 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Perez's Amazon's weren't the Greekest, though, were they? I know there was at least one black chick in there, and my mind is convinced there was Asian representation also.

Okay, put it this way--Wonder Woman shouldn't have an American accent. But she will.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 24, 2007 8:04:28 am PST #7148 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Inflection-light Midwestern American accent I can handle without a suspension of disbelief failure, since it's more practical than having her speak 11th century B.C.-era Mycenaean with English subtitles. But I will be thrown irretrievably out of the moment if I hear "y'all" from Diana's lips.


§ ita § - Jan 24, 2007 8:12:46 am PST #7149 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Inflection-light Midwestern American accent I can handle without a suspension of disbelief failure, since it's more practical than having her speak 11th century B.C.-era Mycenaean with English subtitles

True. Unless you're Mel Gibson.

But inflection-light Midwestern is still a honking great accent to me. Not that I count, not being American and all that. Mostly I was headed toward the point that she's not going to sound neutral to everyone--the lack of y'all will be strange for some.

Which leads me to wonder--the Midwestern accent you refer to is like Britain's Received Pronunciation, right? Does the entire country have a tacit agreement as to what it sounds like? RP was, in my memory, not so much inflection-light as it was proper, and therefore a bit stuck up.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 24, 2007 8:12:59 am PST #7150 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Odets deserved it! Florid romantic working man bullshit turns into instant hack in Hollywood. He did it to support his family, sure, but he still became a horrible hack.

If SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS is hack work, I should be so lucky as to be such a hack.


DavidS - Jan 24, 2007 8:15:14 am PST #7151 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS is hack work, I should be so lucky as to be such a hack.

Well, you're right. Sweet Smell does have about nine thousand memorable lines. But he did do a lot of crap.

::checks IMDB::

I did like Clash By Night and The Big Knife (though it must be said it is one of the lesser noirs with "Big" in the title. Certainly compared to The Big Sleep or The Big Heat or The Big Combo).


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 24, 2007 8:24:23 am PST #7152 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think Midwestern is sort of the neutral TV and radio-announcer dialect, so it's really more widespread than just the Midwest. Most places in this country hear the dialect I'm thinking of with network news, national commercials, the movie trailer voiceover guy, etc. I don't know how well that translates to Received Pronunciation... it's generally grammatically correct English, but I don't know that it has a connotation of elitism like, say, a proper New England accent does.

I suppose for Diana the ideal would be someone who's a native speaker of Greek but has learned English fluently. Not sure if there are many actresses fitting that description who could do the action hero thing and be familiar enough to US audiences for the studio's sake, though.


Nutty - Jan 24, 2007 8:25:33 am PST #7153 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Which leads me to wonder--the Midwestern accent you refer to is like Britain's Received Pronunciation, right? Does the entire country have a tacit agreement as to what it sounds like? RP

Really, no, or only an overlapping general idea of what "broadcasterese" is, and no agreement on the details. Like, broadcasterese does not drop Rs; it does not insert Rs into words like wash; it does distinguish between pen and pin; but -- you know. Till recently, the big three broacasters were a Texan, a North Dakotan, and a guy from Canada. They all had noticeably not-broadcasterese accents, if subtle ones.

To bring this back on-topic, I've come to equanimity with the number of actors who cannot control their speech well enough to drop an inappropriate accent sufficiently (or add an appropriate one). I have not yet gotten over the fact that so few actors enunciate well enough for me to understand what they're saying.


Jessica - Jan 24, 2007 8:37:23 am PST #7154 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think Midwestern is sort of the neutral TV and radio-announcer dialect, so it's really more widespread than just the Midwest.

Standard American Stage English is closest to urban mid-Atlantic, regionwise. (And supposedly also Idaho, which I've heard nicknamed "the pure-vowel-state" by musical directors.)


§ ita § - Jan 24, 2007 8:42:34 am PST #7155 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the fact that so few actors enunciate well enough for me to understand what they're saying

This particular foreigner has no real problem understanding 98% of what actors say. How much are you not getting?