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'Shindig'


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Hayden - Feb 27, 2006 7:15:43 am PST #685 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I also liked Watchmen more. I think it and V for Vendetta take mirror strategies into the same political stance (which is exactly what Sean says: rampant consumerism and absolute trust in authority for security is fascist mentality), with Watchmen imposing authority from capital (and, incidentally, crazy superheroes) and VFV imposing authority from government. Frankly, I think Watchmen works better because the characters seem a little better-conceived. In VFV, the government is entirely unbelievable in its textbook psychology of the major players, although the dissolution among the ranks seemed true enough, and the character of V seemed altogether too close to the omniscient, omnipotent, super-fast serial killer-type from the movies - y'know, the one who has perfect knowledge of how other people will react in any given situation and has somehow had the time to lay plans that allow him to be 3 steps ahead of everyone else, no matter what. It always strikes me as a little lazy that V is perfect.

That said, I don't want to come down too hard, because I think it's a fantastic comic.

In other news, I saw both Junebug and The Curse of the Were-Rabbit this past weekend and enjoyed the heck out of both.


Jessica - Feb 27, 2006 7:15:56 am PST #686 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Ironically, even though I prefer Watchmen, I have a stronger urge to reread V, if only to see if it improves on rereading. (I was putting off the reread until after the film came out, because I didn't want to be distracted by the changes if I could avoid it.)


Jessica - Feb 27, 2006 7:17:48 am PST #687 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It always strikes me as a little lazy that V is perfect.

I think "perfect" is an awfully strong word for a psychopathic hermit serial killer, but I know what you mean.


§ ita § - Feb 27, 2006 7:19:15 am PST #688 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah--he's perfect for what he needs to accomplish. The perfect accidentally created weapon.


Sean K - Feb 27, 2006 7:21:26 am PST #689 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

That said, I don't want to come down too hard, because I think it's a fantastic comic.

Yes, this. Though VfV is the lesser light in my book, I still loved it.

I think "perfect" is an awfully strong word for a psychopathic hermit serial killer, but I know what you mean.

Hee!


Hayden - Feb 27, 2006 7:24:54 am PST #690 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I throw "perfect" around too often, I know. But that's funny, P-Moon.


Jessica - Feb 27, 2006 7:34:43 am PST #691 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I've posted some spoilers in my LJ here, in case anyone wants to be prepared for what the major changes are.


Strega - Feb 27, 2006 7:54:20 am PST #692 of 10001

Part of my problem with Watchmen is that I'm not actually that big on superheroes. I think the only superhero books I've read are postmodern and/or piss-takes, so a lot of the stuff that is (I understand) groundbreaking was transparent to me. Plus, I'd seen "The Architects of Fear," so that was kind of a letdown.

I reread it a few years back and that increased my feeling that the parts are much more interesting than the whole. And the core mystery made less sense on reread, so that was annoying.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 27, 2006 8:02:27 am PST #693 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I reread it a few years back and that increased my feeling that the parts are much more interesting than the whole. And the core mystery made less sense on reread, so that was annoying.

That was my biggest problem with WATCHMEN. I didn't mind the schematic nature of the book, but I thought Ozmandyous' (sp?) plan was just LAME.


Sean K - Feb 27, 2006 8:29:15 am PST #694 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Ozmandyous' (sp?)

Ozymandias, king of kings, look upon my works ye mighty and despair.