Zoe: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing? Book: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

'War Stories'


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Polter-Cow - Dec 28, 2006 8:32:45 am PST #6631 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I agree, Kathy! It's exactly what you'd expect from such a movie, nothing more and nothing less. Very fun.

So it seems I really need to see Children of Men. I was interested before, but the raves in here have enhanced said interest. Even though I didn't really get the big deal about Y Tu Mamá También.

Also, for those of you in Bitches who have heard me bitch about my uncle, you may find it amusing that the first time I saw the trailer, I thought, "Wow, that looks like it might be really, really good," and my uncle said, "Looks like a flop!"


Jessica - Dec 28, 2006 1:59:19 pm PST #6632 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

On rewatch, the plot of Casino Royale makes very, very little sense. Good thing it's so pretty.

(And after listening to an NPR piece by one of ESPN's poker commentators, I just can't take anything in that sequence seriously. Especially when Bond tosses the chip to the dealer at the end -- it didn't occur to me the first time I saw it, but the podcast pointed out that tournament chips don't actually have any cash value. It's just a piece of plastic.)


bon bon - Dec 28, 2006 2:02:34 pm PST #6633 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I just read the book on the plane (while my seatmate was reading an article in, I think? American Cinematographer about the cinematography in the movie), what didn't make sense? Not that I'm saying it made sense; I maintain the stock shorting scheme was particularly inane.

I kind of want to see it again. It was so pretty!


Scrappy - Dec 28, 2006 2:05:00 pm PST #6634 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I saw it again last night. craig is just as hottttttt on the second viewing.


Jessica - Dec 28, 2006 2:17:54 pm PST #6635 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There just doesn't seem to be any plan in the movie that's very well thought out.

Like, why does Le Chiffre react to his stock shorting scheme going south with "I know, I'll win it back in a POKER GAME!" Why doesn't MI6 have any backup plan? Why does the Treasury not run background checks on their agents before sending them into the field with millions of dollars? Why were the winnings transferred at the hospital instead of right after the game? If Vesper is really in love with Bond, what's she being blackmailed over? (And if she's in love with Bond but still fond enough of her ex to be blackmailed about him, why not just ask Bond for help getting out of it?) And if she IS still in love with her Algerian boyfriend, why involve him Bond all? Why not just steal the money and disappear? Where the hell was the CIA after the game when they were supposed to be apprehending Le Chiffre? What happened to the tracking device Bond planted on him earlier?


beekaytee - Dec 28, 2006 2:22:23 pm PST #6636 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

Yeah. YEAH. Everything Jessica said. With an extra ?!

And still, I want to see it again. As much for supporting its NOT!like previous Bond movieness as for its pretty pretty.


Jessica - Dec 28, 2006 2:24:35 pm PST #6637 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Not that I didn't still really enjoy it, mind. Any movie where Daniel Craig walks mostly naked out of an ocean TWICE can have as many plotholes as it likes.


SailAweigh - Dec 28, 2006 4:05:32 pm PST #6638 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Yeah, I decided that letting my tongue loll out at Daniel Craig was better than letting my brain go 'splodey from the non-sense making plotholes. Not to be mistaken for potholes, which is what it felt like everytime my commonsense tripped over the plotholes. Where's the spackle? I need to fix this.


esse - Dec 28, 2006 4:52:42 pm PST #6639 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I found it very plot-what-plot? on the whole, which was fine for me, because Daniel Craig was just ridiculously gorgeous to look at.


P.M. Marc - Dec 28, 2006 4:59:19 pm PST #6640 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Not that I didn't still really enjoy it, mind. Any movie where Daniel Craig walks mostly naked out of an ocean TWICE can have as many plotholes as it likes.

Amen. (Saw it today.)

Also, as I Have A Type, Vesper didn't annoy me at all. I kind of wanted to just curl up and nibble her, I think.

One thing that amused me was seeing Paul Haggis's name on the credits. Based on that and due South, I've determined that he has some weird finger sucking fetish.

Although, IMO, it's way hotter when it's Paul Gross doing it.