They should film that story and show it every Christmas.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


SailAweigh - Oct 30, 2006 10:35:20 am PST #5231 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Damn, all this Prestige talk is frustrating! I wanted to see that this weekend, but my dad wanted to see The Departed. While I enjoyed the movie muchly, I'm dying to see the one everyone is talking. about. right. now!


Polter-Cow - Oct 30, 2006 10:39:26 am PST #5232 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And unfortunately, it's the kind of movie you have to talk about almost exclusively in whitefont.

I haven't seen The Departed, but people keep saying it's really good.


SailAweigh - Oct 30, 2006 10:41:57 am PST #5233 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

It was good. Despite knowing who is the mole in each organization, it was the suspense in watching them trying to flush each other out that was great. It kept me on the edge of my seat and there were enough HSQ moments that I actually jumped a couple of times. Even Jaws didn't do that to me.


Dana - Oct 30, 2006 10:45:14 am PST #5234 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I thought The Departed kind of fell apart in the last half hour or so, but I always enjoy watching Matt Damon. DiCaprio, I just can't connect to, for some reason, and I could have done with 800% less Nicholson.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 30, 2006 10:50:11 am PST #5235 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Frank, I spotted another resemblance in the movie. If they do end up doing a Star Trek: The Early Years movie, Andy Serkis is beginning to look eerily like DeForest Kelly.

Heh, I might need to see it again to confirm that. The guy who made the Tom Skerritt comparison immediately spotted Andy Serkis as Andy Serkis, which I thought was funny.


esse - Oct 30, 2006 11:02:21 am PST #5236 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

From the book:

Essentially, the Angiers are just copies of copies of copies. They (he) retain no memory of dying, because the dead one isn't copied. There was always a plan at the end of the show to dispose of the prestige, and usually it was done really soon after the completion of the show. The copy would be in the machine, in the box, for immediate disposal. The "original" Angier, the one outside of the box, would be the one in charge. From the perspective of the book, he never considered the prestige--the copy--to truly be him. It was just that, the prestige, the copy, and he could handwave it away as such.

The only complication came when--and I'm not sure this was in the movie as I haven't seen it yet--Borden cuts the power to the machine in the middle of the copy-making, and the original Angier is left as only part of himself, while the prestige is an even thinner part of himself. they are truly together one person, and not copies as in previous uses of the machine. It's the first chance that a prestige-copy was ever able to live long enough to consider its situation. And since he was also Angier, as much as the original was Angier, he was surprisingly circumspect about the many dead copies of himself hidden in his cellar. Very chilling.

And then, regarding Borden: probably the more interesting thing, from the book, for me, was how the twins were very much a single person as well. While it is never stated explicitly, the Borden narrative repeatedly mentions a "Pact" created between the two, where the two ends up reading more like a psychotic break resulting in two personalities in one body more than anything else. It's why it took a lot of convincing to me that Borden *was* twins--and I use the singular verb purposefully--because it felt more like a Jekyll/Hyde situation. I have no idea how they conveyed all the information about their collective life together, but from the narrative structure of the book, they quite literally experienced everything as one person, one identity, one single personality.

Honestly, I think the message of the whole this was that both men were horrible, in different ways; and they might not have been so, if their ridiculous competition and sabotage of each other hadn't affected their lives as drastically as it did. I suspect they are more sypathetic in the book, but that is only because you are reading the story fron their perspectives.


Jessica - Oct 30, 2006 11:07:48 am PST #5237 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Interesting, SA -- in the movie, the cutting-the-power thing never happens. The only time Borden is backstage is when he finds Drowned!Angier in the tank, tries to break the glass, and ends up in prison for Angier's murder.

(Which was the only bit that really had me puzzled, how he knew not to appear on the balcony that night. I figured that part of Michael Caine's front-of-house duties must have been "Tell me when Borden is in the audience," so he'd know which night to disappear.)


SailAweigh - Oct 30, 2006 11:08:20 am PST #5238 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

DiCaprio, I just can't connect to, for some reason,

Him, I could connect to, it was Damon I couldn't. And Jack, well, he just plays himself over and over again. I think they like him in movies for the name. Which is sad. He used to act. Now, he's part of the deli counter.


Dana - Oct 30, 2006 11:11:29 am PST #5239 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Him, I could connect to, it was Damon I couldn't.

You're the yin to my yang!

Jess, that's a good point. Maybe he heard the yelling, like the rest of the audience did? But it does seem like he would need to have a plan in place.


esse - Oct 30, 2006 11:20:02 am PST #5240 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Jessica:

oh, how strange. In the book, Borden sneaks backstage (a second time from the one you're describing) to try and find out the secret behind the tesla machine, and he sees all this energy being drawn and assumes it's going to burn the theatre down, so in a fit of panic he pulls the plug, literally, on the machine in the middle of the prestige-copy being created. The prison thing NEVER happened. They only orbited each other in vindictiveness, and never involved the police.

Now I really want my stupid ahem to finish because I need to know the differences between the book and the movie.