Lindsey: Why--why did you... Lorne: One last job. You're not part of the solution, Lindsey. You never will be. Lindsey: You kill me? A flunky?! I'm not just...Angel...kills me. You...Angel... Lorne: Good night, folks.

'Not Fade Away'


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Jessica - Oct 27, 2006 7:03:21 am PDT #5161 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The nice twisty bit I did like regarding the multiple drownings was that the only reason Angier was doing the trick the way he did (as opposed to simply having the original fall onto a bed of spikes or something), was that Michael Caine, at his wife's funeral, had told him that drowning was an easy and comfortable way to die. In his head, he wasn't doing anything cruel, and because the created double never had the memory of the other's death, he had no way of knowing otherwise. I don't think the full horror of it really hit him until the end, when Caine says, "Um, no, dumbass, I just said that to make you feel better. Drowning is painful and horrible."


Nutty - Oct 27, 2006 7:10:37 am PDT #5162 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Agreed, although really, drowning is also a quiet way to die, and one that doesn't require an assistant, and doesn't leave room for fighting back or blood getting everywhere. It's awfully convenient to use. And really, one way or another, the unlucky fellow dies anyway -- that's the depraved part. He could waft him away in a gentle ether dream, but it's still murder.


beekaytee - Oct 27, 2006 7:31:30 am PDT #5163 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

The question of murder vs. suicide was big in my crowd. Lots of existential agita. And, while I'd like to think that Angier believed the drowning is like going home line, he watched his own wife drown with terror in her eyes, screaming his name. How could he delude himself after that ?

Another interesting question that came up was, Why would Bolton and Fallon switch lovers? If one loved Sarah and the other loved Scarlett, why wouldn't they stay with their respective happy-mates? I guessed that they did this to cover up any potenial 'tells' about there being two Bales. If one sees minor differences with enough consistency, does one's mind forget them?

Also, when Sarah said," I know what you are." Did she mean that she knew there were two Bales? I couldn't quite work that one out.


Polter-Cow - Oct 27, 2006 7:40:46 am PDT #5164 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Beej, I don't think Borden and Fallon did switch lovers. Borden says that they each loved a separate woman; that was the only difference between them.


sj - Oct 27, 2006 7:56:17 am PDT #5165 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

One question I had about The Prestige was I got the weird impression that Borden and Fallon somehow switched places in their last prison visit, even though I couldn't see how it was possible. I felt that way because of the look to the guard at the end and because earlier in the film the one in prison is very worried about the daughter, but in the end it is the one out of prison who was her true father.


§ ita § - Oct 27, 2006 8:03:29 am PDT #5166 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The weakest part of The Departed for me was by far the sudden explosion of moles. Assuming Delahunt really was a cop...it makes the conversation make sense, but damn. What team was he a mole for? It really diluted things for me.


P.M. Marc - Oct 27, 2006 8:04:49 am PDT #5167 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

For you Prestige-watching people, had any of you read the Christopher Priest book first? If so, did that add or subtract to the experience? As I recall, Mely had and enjoyed the film.

I'm just wondering if I should read it, then see it, or see it, then read it.


sj - Oct 27, 2006 8:08:58 am PDT #5168 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I haven't read the book, but now I want to. Reading the book first almost always spoils the movie experience for me.


beekaytee - Oct 27, 2006 8:10:11 am PDT #5169 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

P-C, I got the distinct impression that they did switch back and forth. Not the least of which, because of the "not today" response to Sarah asking, "Do you love me?" Didn't Borden (forgive my mispelling upthread...may Michael forgive me too) say as much at one point?


Polter-Cow - Oct 27, 2006 8:22:53 am PDT #5170 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, that is a good point, Beej. I'm not sure.