I tell you I have this theory. It goes where, you're the one who's not my sister. Cuz mom adopted you from a shoe box full of baby howler monkeys, and never told you cuz it could hurt your delicate baby feelings.

Dawn ,'Selfless'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Kathy A - Sep 18, 2006 7:11:38 am PDT #4394 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I loved M for the crazy art deco sets, the darkness at its heart, the hall of the mountain king, the film noir tropes it created, and, especially, the mock trial.

Yes, this. It helps to see a good print--before the restoration from a few years ago, I only saw it on PBS with a really horrible print (scratchy images with subtitles that would bleed into the starkly white portions of the screen). I've been meaning to buy the Criterion DVD to replace my videotape I purchased of the restored version.

Lang definitely uses a silent-film approach to the movie which I found hypnotic. At first, I thought the grostequeness of the middle/upper class to be over the top, but it provides a neat counterpoint with the seedy underclass.


Ailleann - Sep 18, 2006 2:37:50 pm PDT #4395 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

IOentirelydifferentN,

I don't know if this has been linked before, but it's neat: NotStarring.com.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2006 3:04:38 pm PDT #4396 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

What are the wittiest movies of the past 25 years? Is wit dead?


Hayden - Sep 18, 2006 3:20:12 pm PDT #4397 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

The Coen Brothers do wit well (and sure, sometimes poorly). The aforementioned Miller's Crossing is abundant in wit. Whit Stillman's pictures are also well-soaked in wit. Winterbottom's Tristram Shandy: A Cock & Bull Story was very witty, as well it should have been.

But wit mostly lives on TV now, in Arrested Development and both versions of The Office.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2006 3:40:07 pm PDT #4398 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I haven't seen much of Arrested Development, but is The Office witty? The goal of The Office (and most contemporary humor, it seems) is to make one feel clever by making fun of how stupid other people are. Wit, on the other hand, is actually being clever.

Not that any form of humor is inherently better; I'm just tired of seeing the former and want to see more of the latter.


Strega - Sep 18, 2006 4:46:55 pm PDT #4399 of 10001

I'm not sure if I agree with that distinction. When I think of classic wits, I think of Mark Twain, Ambrose Bierce, the Algonquin Round Table, etc.. All of whom were (cleverly) making fun of how stupid other people are.

I guess I sort of know what you mean, if you're talking about comedy where there's some actual wordplay or insight rather than "Ha, he fell down! What an idiot!" But someone's usually the butt of the joke.


Hayden - Sep 18, 2006 5:11:10 pm PDT #4400 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I think The Office is predicated on great insight into humanity, which is why it's so difficult at its best. But yes, like Twain and the other classic wits Strega mentioned, someone gets to play the ass.


Sue - Sep 18, 2006 5:44:46 pm PDT #4401 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Withnail and I, witty.


Nutty - Sep 18, 2006 5:51:10 pm PDT #4402 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I read an essay once to the effect that the difference between humor and wit is the difference between using the feather and the whole chicken.

Which I hadn't thought about before -- wit is exposure, shock, something absurdly revealing and attractive and offputting all at the same time. It's like, ha ha ha, you didn't think I'd actually go there, did you? Well now I have.


amych - Sep 18, 2006 5:58:12 pm PDT #4403 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

And here I thought that was the difference between kink and perversity.