Zoe: Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity? Wash: You're pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.

'War Stories'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Kathy A - Aug 14, 2006 11:23:13 am PDT #3500 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I've been watching Titanic a lot lately (when there's nothing else on the TV, HBO is almost guaranteed to be playing it on one of its many channels), and what I'm noticing (other than the great art direction) is how good actresses both Kathy Bates and Kate Winslet are, considering how much they both bring to their very underwritten roles.

Compare and contrast Dicaprio's really shallow take on his Jack (was this movie the beginning of the overabundance of Jacks in film and TV?)--he could have done so much with Jack's supposed worldly wisdom, acquired as a starving artist in Paris, but instead all we get is him bleating "Rose!" and "I'm the king of the world!" all while dodging bullets from the evil Billy Zane and David Warner.


P.M. Marc - Aug 14, 2006 11:42:07 am PDT #3501 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I liked Victor Garber. And the band that went down with the ship.

I hated the movie, but I loved Victor Garber.


Hayden - Aug 14, 2006 11:46:31 am PDT #3502 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I started to write a long defense of not seeing the movie based on what I know about it and what I know about movies that I hate, but, y'know, it's easier to just call me a snob. I'd prefer "aesthete," but they may be the same thing.


Jessica - Aug 14, 2006 11:49:30 am PDT #3503 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Snakes on a Toast.


beekaytee - Aug 14, 2006 11:52:55 am PDT #3504 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

And people are bidding for it.

End times...end times.


Strega - Aug 14, 2006 11:55:18 am PDT #3505 of 10001

I think "snob" implies that you judge other people for seeing (and/or enjoying) Titanic.


ChiKat - Aug 14, 2006 11:56:24 am PDT #3506 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I hated the movie, but I loved Victor Garber.

I am Plei. Only good moment of the movie was VG staring at the painting of the ship as she was going down.

The SFX were good, but I'm a character/plot person for movies and astounding effects will never make up for bad character/plot.


Nutty - Aug 14, 2006 11:59:47 am PDT #3507 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I saw Titanic on TV, and thank heavens, because I could watch something else for the entire first half (it was split up over two nights) and then tune in for the disaster-porn.

Which, I mean, I have seen a lot of disaster-porn. I know there are better reasons to show what is happening at the water line than "they handcuffed my hero to a sinking boat!" Where is the Fred Astaire-level guest star? Where the random O J Simpson sighting? The subplots were not nearly ludicrous enough, and not enough famous people got to die, and anyway a death any less OTT than flames and/or a 100-story drop (thank you Richard Chamberlain) hardly counts toward the entertaining body count.

Really, a historical disaster movie is stuck either way. If it's meant to be Reverently Historical, then it can't get away with idiotic invented love stories. (Like Titanic wasn't interesting enough without teh sex??) But if it's not meant to be Reverently Historical, then there's no reason not to go OTT and have Loni Anderson on board, and have her hair act as a flotation device.


Hayden - Aug 14, 2006 12:15:18 pm PDT #3508 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I think "snob" implies that you judge other people for seeing (and/or enjoying) Titanic.

Well, I did (sniff). What do I have to do, an (eyeroll)?


Jesse - Aug 14, 2006 12:17:12 pm PDT #3509 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Where do I fit in, if I both saw AND enjoyed Titanic, but was embarassed about both of those facts, even at the time?