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Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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DebetEsse - Jul 03, 2006 7:32:51 am PDT #2633 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

The best wank I heard on that last, ita, was the Kryptonian gestation is longer, so, even if she took up with him a couple/few months later, there could be question.

But it is hella wanky, anyway. And it is a nice character note if he knows it's not his kid, genetically.


Jessica - Jul 03, 2006 7:36:12 am PDT #2634 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

And I was a little thrown by a departure

Having watched the original recently, I can see where Singer got his characterization from -- it's not a departure from that version, but I'll agree that it probably should have been, especially if he wants a franchise. (I mean, it's even the exact same dumb plan -- destroy bits of the existing US to create shiny new beachfront property in a way that will annoy Superman.)

The problem is that it's not a characterization that can really support a long-term nemesis-type relationship, since Lex-as-buffoon is so easily defeated. For one film, on a symbolic level, I liked that the real fight wasn't with Lex at all, but with the remains of Krypton (Superman tossing the last remaining bits of his homeworld into space in order to save Earth was a pretty powerful image), but Lex will definitely need an upgrade if he's going to come back for Superman Still Here.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2006 7:37:26 am PDT #2635 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, that was the sort of wank I was figuring.

I'm guessing (actually, I feel sure, but I don't think it was explicitly indicated) that he now knows the kid's not his-and he definitely knows his fiancée isn't. Poor guy. Yet? Still together. Which is messy.

I liked the bit where Lois answers him with "He's Superman! Everyone's in love with Superman!" It makes it both hard and inevitable that he'd be jealous--but when the woman you're in love with asks you to go back and save the man she loves, putting you and the kid you've been raising as your own in jeopardy, well, it's Superman. You have to do that.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2006 7:38:20 am PDT #2636 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Superman Still Here.

It'd be cool if that comes out in the same year as Batman Continues.


Jessica - Jul 03, 2006 7:42:53 am PDT #2637 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm just waiting for the crossover between these two incarnations, because I suspect that it would involve relatively little fighting crime and rather a lot of commisserating about being lonely in a hotel bar somewhere. (And then some making out, assuming I get hired to direct it.)

My ears did perk up when Gotham was mentioned in the background during the Superman-saving-people-everywhere news montage. (And New York is visible on Luthor's Evil Plan Map, which I want to freeze-frame so I can see where they think all three cities are in relation to each other.)


sumi - Jul 03, 2006 7:45:17 am PDT #2638 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Yes, about all the cities.

(Hmmm, was Bludhaven on that map ?)


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2006 7:47:25 am PDT #2639 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jessica, I had the same reaction to the Gotham mention, and was all "He doesn't need you! Get out of his city!" Because I'm fangirlish like that.

I have a strange conviction I saw a typo in the newspaper article about the museum heist--one of the instances of museum looked like musuem. I have no idea if I'm right, but it stayed in the corner of my head for quite a while.

Back to the beginning--when the music swelled, and the opening titles rolled, it was very heart-swelling and iconic. And then I had a sad moment that Batman doesn't have a music. But I've been told to get over it.


sumi - Jul 03, 2006 7:49:10 am PDT #2640 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Batman doesn't NEED music.

or maybe Batman has music -- but it's at such a high frequency that we can't hear it.


Kalshane - Jul 03, 2006 7:51:37 am PDT #2641 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Back to the beginning--when the music swelled, and the opening titles rolled, it was very heart-swelling and iconic.

I've found myself humming the Superman theme from time to time since seeing the movie. The music just fits the character so perfectly.

And then I had a sad moment that Batman doesn't have a music.

Well, I think that depends on the person. I think most people would say the theme from the 60's TV show. Whereas for me, it's the theme from Batman: The Animated Series.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2006 7:52:53 am PDT #2642 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Batman's music is the thumping of the fear-stricken criminals' hearts. Well, that's the baseline. The screams of the women in peril form a harmony with the shrill of the bats, and there's the staccato beat of gunfire, and the duller rhythm of his foot against the bad guys' heads.