Lorne: Snakes? Uh-huh. And they came out of your what? Okay. Okay, well, did they get up there themselves or is this part of a, you know, a thing? No, I'm not judging...Do we fight snakes? Angel: Only if they're giant. Or demons. Or giant demons. Are they giant demon snakes? Lorne: Well, unless this guy's 30 feet tall, I'm thinking they're of the garden variety.

'Lineage'


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Fred Pete - Apr 19, 2006 4:14:14 pm PDT #1401 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I don't know -- when was it filmed? Because if it's a 30-year-old movie that's just now seeing the light of day....

Hey, I tried.


Nutty - Apr 20, 2006 5:15:28 am PDT #1402 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Red Eye was a recent suspense movie that had excellent, tight pacing.

I gave that movie points for creative use of a ballpoint pen and a field hockey stick. I took away points for the villain being about 11 inches tall. But yeah, for what it was (illogic abounding), it was pretty fun.

I don't watch horror movies to be scared, so all of those horror movie lists always skew wrong for me.


Jessica - Apr 20, 2006 5:19:13 am PDT #1403 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But yeah, for what it was (illogic abounding), it was pretty fun.

If you're able to suspend disbelief that Cillian Murphy's plan was not actually the worst concieved villainous plan in the history of villainy, the internal logic holds together pretty well -- better than most thrillers, I think. But boy, that plan...how drunk does a band of evildoers have to be before they come up with something that needlessly complicated?


Hayden - Apr 20, 2006 7:42:51 am PDT #1404 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Oh, there've been a lot of dumb villainous plans in films. For instance, even if everything had gone according to plan, Bob le Flambeur's casino heist was stupid.

But, yeah, suspend disbelief and Red Eye wasn't half bad. I'm not saying it was anywhere close to my top 100, but it wasn't filled with goofy McGuffins and deux ex machinas and horrible CGI that wouldn't scare a four-year-old, and that's saying something.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 20, 2006 9:03:20 am PDT #1405 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Cillian Murphy eliminates the need for scary CGI.


Nutty - Apr 20, 2006 9:20:15 am PDT #1406 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Except for the phone book he is sitting/standing on to make him look like he is bigger than my thumb.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 20, 2006 11:37:26 am PDT #1407 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hey, the Zuni Fetish Doll was pint sized too, and that didn't keep it from being scary...


Strega - Apr 21, 2006 6:17:09 am PDT #1408 of 10001

Oooo, shiny.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 21, 2006 6:39:34 am PDT #1409 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oooo, shiny.

Yeah, I'm psyched about that. Newbury Comics actually has it at a price about as good as I've seen on-line, so I may pick it up today. I've seen it in a couple of different forms (probably the first two mentioned in the description), and I'm not sure any amount of editing can make it a definitively great (or even good) movie, but there are a lot of interesting pieces in it.

I know Welles had hoped during the making of it that it would be a nice commercial hit (of course, he though that about THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI and TOUCH OF EVIL too, so there you go), but why he ever thought that people would embrace a movie with such a loathsome protagonist (Robert Arden and Ralph Meeker probably went to the same charm school) is beyond me.


Hayden - Apr 21, 2006 6:50:31 am PDT #1410 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

The version I saw was incoherent as hell, but yes, there were some nice moments to it. In retrospect, it reminds me of the first version of Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid, which could be described exactly the same way.