there's more free enterprise in American religion
That's like saying there's more chocolate in Hershey's kisses.
Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.
'Soul Purpose'
Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Hayden - Jan 05, 2006 1:01:50 pm PST #8013 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
erikaj - Jan 05, 2006 1:03:57 pm PST #8014 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!
Yeah. Well, we're all a little weird, but the closest I get to prosletizing is recommending "The Wire" a lot.(And I can't even spell prosletize correctly.)ETA: You're not as far off as all that, bt. For all that you're joking...I've been followed, touched without my consent and sprinkled with stuff. Yikes. One guy a few years ago bothered me for long enough I threatened to get a cop. Man's Law 1 God's Law(maybe) 0.
Spidra Webster - Jan 05, 2006 1:05:15 pm PST #8015 of 10002
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.
Even though I'm not a fan of organized religions, there are plenty of religious people that I respect and admire. So no, relgious != nutbar to me.
amych - Jan 05, 2006 1:06:32 pm PST #8016 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Is it just me, or does Robertson's version of God sound a lot like a three-year-old? I mean, this is the universe governed in a spirit of "Gimme! I don't wanna share! You can't make me!"
Emily - Jan 05, 2006 1:10:27 pm PST #8017 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Even ignoring the sheer offensiveness of it, I'm puzzling over the logic. So, if Israel hangs on to everything, that's the same as it being God's? And if it doesn't, then it's not? The government of Israel is God? That's... well... yeah. If so, then it can't really do wrong, can it? Q.E.D. (or, per Nilly, M.Sh.L.) I'm off to prove black is white, then.
Spidra Webster - Jan 05, 2006 1:10:32 pm PST #8018 of 10002
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.
Most hard-line Christians seem more into the Old Testament than the New. The Old Testament God bore a lot more in common with Zeus and other petulant pagan gods than Jesus.
erikaj - Jan 05, 2006 1:11:41 pm PST #8019 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!
I've always thought that, too. Not that God thinks that, but that Robertson people do. I believe that God, if God exists, takes the long view...it's one of the perks of being infinite.
Fay - Jan 05, 2006 1:12:35 pm PST #8020 of 10002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Fay thinks we do. She sees America as primarily a religious country, not unlike Egypt in that way, and distinct from England or France.
nods.
Yes. Yes, this is what I think. Definitely.
Nutty - Jan 05, 2006 1:16:22 pm PST #8021 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
it's one of the perks of being infinite.
If this were the Boxed Set thread, oh the funny predicaments we could get into. (There was recently a discussion of what happens if you're immortal and in a shipwreck, and have to walk your way out of the Marianas Trench.) Somehow, I think the godly among us would find that line of speculation kind of obnox, however.
Topic!Cindy - Jan 05, 2006 1:17:32 pm PST #8022 of 10002
What is even happening?
Pat Robertson. Ugh. He needs a big time come-to-Jesus meeting. A bunch of people took him to task personally and in the press during one of his more recent spews. It appears it didn't make a dent.
The thing that pisses me off is that newer Bible translations are often more true to the original language, while being more inclusive. The original texts weren't nearly as patricarchical as the KJV in a lot of cases.Right. I don't know any Hebrew, or Greek, so I don't know how/where this applies specifically to biblical translation, but some languages use the male words as a default, when they mean a mixed group. I know you would translate the English word "parents" into "padres" in Spanish. Padre singular, is the word for father, and parents defaults to the plural of fathers. If I were talking about my mum and dad in Spanish, I would say padres, even though I didn't mean my fathers, and was very much including my mother. Similarly, if I were talking about my siblings in Spanish, I would say hermanos, which is both the plural of hermano (brother), even if I meant a group consisting of my brothers and sisters. A lot of times, a more inclusive translation is also a more accurate translation.
But if you can make either exist just like that (or they could both be existing at the very same time) I don't feel the same sort of loss as the desecration of something that can never be restored to its full glory. Or at least not quickly.
I understand what you mean, and agree, in all the big, important senses. I meant it only in very specific and immediate sense. It certainly doesn't have the long range consequences. I meant to draw a comparison only in the sense of changing an artist's work (and in tainting the experience of the people who are using the art as the artist created it, in their act of worship).