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Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 11:01:59 am PST #7383 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What am I supposed to do with a talking points memo on why a project it currently over budget to the tune of, excuse me has grown by a billion dollars? Laugh?

I'm thinking you're supposed to have it on your desk in case a reporter gets to your line accidentally. No?


Jessica - Jan 04, 2006 11:02:47 am PST #7384 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I can't come up with a useful definition of intelligence that doesn't boil down to "really really really good pattern matching."

I think the problem with this:

When I went to college in the 1980s, voice recognition for an arbitrary speaker was considered incredibly difficult, and was indeed an AI topic.

Is that as we've gotten better at creating this sort of thing, the threshold for what's considered AI by the public has gotten higher. What was defined under the AI umbrella in 1980 doesn't ping us as "intelligence" any more, and possibly shouldn't. It seems too strong a word.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 11:06:04 am PST #7385 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't come up with a useful definition of intelligence that doesn't boil down to "really really really good pattern matching."

Heuristics. Learning over time (not just training), and the ability to make new rules. No doubt a personal view on AI (like I said -- most chess? not intelligent enough -- impressive number crunching, though -- do they have programs that can learn how to beat specific people over time? That'd rock), but that's what elevates it for me.

My ease in describing OCR as AI is probably slanted by knowing a decent amount about it, so it's not just familiarity breeding contempt.


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 11:08:00 am PST #7386 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hey, isn't Nutrax for Nerves, per Peter Wimsey??


Jessica - Jan 04, 2006 11:08:30 am PST #7387 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Heuristics. Learning over time (not just training), and the ability to make new rules.

Oh, yes! Absolutely.

(I don't know why my brain lumped this in with pattern-matching, because I really did have it in mind. Today would probably not be the best day to give me a Turing Test.)


Vortex - Jan 04, 2006 11:08:33 am PST #7388 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

My ease in describing OCR as AI is probably slanted by knowing a decent amount about it, so it's not just familiarity breeding contempt.

any other theatre/music geeks thinking "original cast recording" or is it just me? or that I'm listening to the Wicked soundtrack, which I will be seeing in THREE AND HALF HOURS.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 11:08:37 am PST #7389 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why does Nutrax want you to take pictures of your food?


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 11:11:46 am PST #7390 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

How will a camera phone help me eat better?

Great question - one that we are bursting with excitement to answer. They let you record and learn from everything you eat. This is the most important thing you can do to eat better for a lifetime. And, they let you do this easily.

You may have kept a food diary before. Chances are it was a great healthy decision you made. Chances also are, that it took a lot of time to maintain. Paper food diaries are a great end but not a great means to eating better. With your camera phone, you won't need to write down what you eat!

Best of all, your dietitian will look at photos of what you actually eat - not what you think you eat to give you custom food coaching. In effect your dietitian will "see" every bite.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 11:12:52 am PST #7391 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wow, that's a bunch of perky bullshit.


Gudanov - Jan 04, 2006 11:14:00 am PST #7392 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

most chess? not intelligent enough -- impressive number crunching, though -- do they have programs that can learn how to beat specific people over time?

I think there are chess playing programs that learn, but the ones that use brute-force computation can beat the pants off of them.