Mal: If anyone gets nosy, just, you know... shoot 'em. Zoe: Shoot 'em? Mal: Politely.

'Serenity'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Betsy HP - Jan 04, 2006 10:08:23 am PST #7346 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Oh! I didn't know that was the sort of VR you meant. I still think of that as pattern matching.

See, that's the thing. That kind of pattern-matching used to be hard, even for a single user; now you're used to it and you think of it as easy. When an AI application hits the mainstream, you don't think of it as AI any more.


Betsy HP - Jan 04, 2006 10:10:09 am PST #7347 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

And incidentally, just because something's sucky doesn't mean it isn't an instance of the class. O'Hare Airport is still an airport. "Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire" is still a TV show. George W. Bush is still a human being.


DavidS - Jan 04, 2006 10:11:07 am PST #7348 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

George W. Bush is still a human being.

Emmett disputes this.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 10:12:07 am PST #7349 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That kind of pattern-matching used to be hard, even for a single user; now you're used to it and you think of it as easy.

But being hard doesn't make it AI. That's my whole wondering--what is resource intensive computing, what's extended problem solving, and what's intelligence? Does any of that lead to artificial sentience?

Was it hard because you couldn't harness the power in something usefully small? Was it hard because we didn't know how to do it yet? Why didn't we know? How fuzzy is the logic? How heuristic? How independent?

just because something's sucky doesn't mean it isn't an instance of the class

But can also make it not an instance. How big a failure does a spoon have to be as a piece of underwear to not be one? Just because I'm calling this piece of metal clothing doesn't make it so.


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 10:12:58 am PST #7350 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't know who this is in response to and which article but I agree that the sf chron article about trend pieces managed to be guilty most of the exact same sins-- fudging, hedging, observation posing as proof, and speculation.

bon bon, here: DavidS "Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!" Jan 4, 2006 11:54:47 am PST

Here's a trend: Every newspaper is annoying! See Times, New York; and Chronicle, San Francisco.


shrift - Jan 04, 2006 10:13:31 am PST #7351 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'm going through a bit of a Music Man phase.

Amish Rodney on the auction block!


Dana - Jan 04, 2006 10:14:29 am PST #7352 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Amish Rodney on the auction block!

This is why you are the wind beneath my wings.


Gudanov - Jan 04, 2006 10:17:41 am PST #7353 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Well, AI is a huge umbrella of computer science topics, a lot of things that individually wouldn't be considered "intelligent".

I think though at some point we will see software that interacts so much like a sentient being that it will be difficult to not call it sentient. However you won't be able to point to any single part of it and say that's what did it, that's what crossed the line.


shrift - Jan 04, 2006 10:18:19 am PST #7354 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

This is why you are the wind beneath my wings.

It's always good to have a partner in crack. That way you have somebody to blame.


Kathy A - Jan 04, 2006 10:18:19 am PST #7355 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm going through a bit of a Music Man phase.

I'm thinking about getting my dad a plaque saying, "I consider the hours I spend with a cue in my hand are golden" that he can put over his pool table (my sister gave him a very pretty cuestick for Christmas).