Zoe: Next time we smuggle stock, let's make it something smaller. Wash: Yeah, we should start dealing in those black-market beagles.

'Safe'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Rio - Jan 04, 2006 7:03:23 am PST #7241 of 10002
Are you ready to be strong?

Have a doggie yet?

Not yet but getting closer.


Calli - Jan 04, 2006 7:05:40 am PST #7242 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

For about 10 years my mom made more than my dad did. (Out of a 40+ year marriage, so this wasn't exactly the norm for them.) Dad joked about being kept, but he also started contributing rather more around the house. It doesn't seem to have hurt their marriage any.


le nubian - Jan 04, 2006 7:10:19 am PST #7243 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I earn 2x my Beau's salary. This is in no small part due to my being about 8 or so years ahead of him career-wise, despite being 5 years older. We have the same level of education, so I think it is possible we will earn the same salary in the future, but it won't be the near future.


bon bon - Jan 04, 2006 7:11:18 am PST #7244 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It ain't the press that did the families down.

I don't think the decision was necessarily made out of heartlessness.

It took several hours to tell the families that the good news was all a big mistake, a huge mistake. Hatfield said he waited because he felt his information might be incomplete and he wanted to avoid passing along further misinformation. Some might be dead and others alive, perhaps, he thought.

"I didn't know who to tell to stop celebrating," he said.


Betsy HP - Jan 04, 2006 7:14:18 am PST #7245 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

You don't need heartlessness when stupidity will suffice.

He could have shared his uncertainty. He could have said "All this rejoicing is premature; we've just been told that some of them are dead. We don't know for sure how many or who."


Steph L. - Jan 04, 2006 7:18:04 am PST #7246 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I don't think the decision was necessarily made out of heartlessness.

No, I think it was made out of cowardice. Sure, he doesn't know which families to tell to stop celebrating. I get that. But he needed to go in there as soon as it was clear that all 12 miners weren't alive and say something to the effect of "I deeply regret that I have to tell you this, but the initial report from the rescue workers was incorrect. There have been some fatalities, but the rescue team is working to determine how many."

Something like that. You don't just let the families walk around with this joy that you *know* you'll have to shatter. Which is why I think it was cowardice -- he didn't want to face the devastated families after destroying the extreme joy they had just been feeling.

It's not easy, but if you're the CEO of a company, you do it. Or you don't deserve to be CEO.

t edit Or, What Betsy Said in WAY fewers words than it took me.


Betsy HP - Jan 04, 2006 7:19:20 am PST #7247 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

This morning, the CEO kept saying "It got out of control. It just got out of control." As if it wasn't his job to control the release of information. He did control it; he withheld it. His choice. If it got out of control, it was because he let the celebration continue long after he knew it was premature.


bon bon - Jan 04, 2006 7:24:37 am PST #7248 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

You don't need heartlessness when stupidity will suffice.

He could have shared his uncertainty. He could have said "All this rejoicing is premature; we've just been told that some of them are dead. We don't know for sure how many or who."

I'm not certain he didn't.

QUESTION: Mr. Hatfield, our condolences as well. This is not the outcome that I don't think anyone around the country or around the world watching this story -- but, I guess my question is, is how come as soon as -- why didn't we hear that that information was wrong sooner?

MORE HATFIELD: Because we couldn't correct the information without knowing more about it.

At the point that we could have told you there was an issue, we did send word to the church or through police channels that there were some issues with the numbers; We're trying to find out what's correct.

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Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 7:31:37 am PST #7249 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The whole mine thing just sucks. And I think that's all I have to say about that.

My mom has pretty much always made more money than my dad, and has more education than he does, too. AND she was higher-class when they met. It's worked out OK for the past nearly-forty years. (Nearly 40! Eek.)


Gudanov - Jan 04, 2006 7:31:54 am PST #7250 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

I just saw a Kansas City Star newspaper. Headline in huge print "12 miners found alive after 41 hours".