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Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Dec 21, 2005 2:12:27 pm PST #4268 of 10002

See, around here, 15% is standard, and I usually round to 20% because easier math. But I will go lower for horrendous service that is within the server's control. Like the time I had to be my own server, even getting our meal from the kitchen while the pompous little twit chatted up all his friends. He took our order, throwing attitude the whole time and that was it.

The bill for the table was nearly $100. We left a penny. And complained to the manager the next day.


Jessica - Dec 21, 2005 2:17:50 pm PST #4269 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, if you look at the complaints on the site, most of the tips listed are under 10%, which is shitty by anyone's definition. (Assuming that the waitstaff posting are being honest about the quality of service they provided, natch.)


beth b - Dec 21, 2005 2:18:06 pm PST #4270 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Thinking about it, even being forgotten can be forgiven if the waiter brings it up first. And, I figure everyone can have a bad day. However the guy in sarameg's tale - that's bad.


Spidra Webster - Dec 21, 2005 2:24:27 pm PST #4271 of 10002
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.

I really hate our tipping system here. I think it's unfair to the workers and to the customers. I believe that employers ought to be paying their workers a living wage. Then let me know upfront on the menu what prices that can support a living wage for the workers are. If I can afford to, I'll eat there. If I can't, I won't. I tip 15% and always thought that was standard. If 20% is now standard, I'll have to do even less eating out than I do now.


Emily - Dec 21, 2005 2:24:33 pm PST #4272 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

In my opinion, 15% is the paycheck. Good service gets you over that. If you're really, really lousy, I might go a bit below, but not much. This doesn't mean I'll put up with crap, either, but I've certainly been one of those waitresses bitching about the lousy tips.


Emily - Dec 21, 2005 2:27:08 pm PST #4273 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Spidra, I'm with you. Well, mostly. I mean, the opportunity to earn really good tips can be an enticement, but (particularly at the lower-end restaurants) what you mostly get is cheap tippers and sometimes people who take tips from your other tables. Might have been better off with minimum wage.


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2005 2:36:36 pm PST #4274 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm at 15% is the paycheck too, myself. But I will happily tip a penny if the service deserves it -- I want to be sure they don't think I just forgot.

How is tipping to work for food deliveries? Similar %ages?


sarameg - Dec 21, 2005 2:38:35 pm PST #4275 of 10002

I had to rearrange my suitcase. THe cat jumped on it and it started emitting To INFINITY AND BEYOND!! and then laser blasting sounds. Ah well, I figure the screeners have heard it all before...


Spidra Webster - Dec 21, 2005 2:39:35 pm PST #4276 of 10002
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.

I've worked plenty of food service and customer service, but never a waiting job. So I was shocked when a friend who was told me that the federal government taxes waitpersons on the tips they *think* the waitpersons should be getting regardless of whether they're actually getting tipped that well. That's another reason I think that system sucks.

I've heard people argue that tips are the only way that we can motivate workers to give good service but I don't really believe it. As I said, I've worked service jobs most of my life and I don't get tipped. I work hard and honorably. Some servicepeople might get surly or amotivated without tips, but I think if employers were paying a living wage, most servicepeople wouldn't be any more disgruntled than the average working stiff. I make a living wage, but it's the kind of living where my nostrils are just above the waterline.


Connie Neil - Dec 21, 2005 2:46:22 pm PST #4277 of 10002
brillig

Reading some of the remarks from servers on that website makes me not want to eat out, if those are the sorts of people who are handling my food.