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Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Dec 20, 2005 5:48:57 am PST #3483 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Gud, what are southern style potatoes?


Steph L. - Dec 20, 2005 5:49:04 am PST #3484 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

For Perkins, if she's still up: [link]

The Squeakaboo is just ungodly beautiful. That is all.


bon bon - Dec 20, 2005 5:49:31 am PST #3485 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Do people think the strike will go on for a while?

Some people do, yeah. The parties seem pretty far apart. One person suggested something like 30 days, but prognosticators don't get anywhere by being conservative.

My biggest problem with this thing right now -- cuz I'm sure I'll change my mind and find something else more irritating-- is that the sticking point is over new hires. People who do not exist yet. People who are not union members. People who can choose NOT to work for the MTA if MTA pay, benefits and pension plan are simply not competitive enough.

This is not a good reason to hold seven million people hostage in a negotiation over people who, in the very words of Roger Toussaint, are UNBORN.

The union members aren't even saying that their current benefits and income are especially unjust-- unless I missed a memo-- rather, that since the MTA had a billion dollars, it should have spent it on them. Since I now understand that the fare bonuses were intended to increase ridership over the long term (and it's not like the MTA spent the whole surplus on that, especially if they intend to ultimately profit with a sustained increase in ridership) I can't agree with the union members that an illegal extortive strike is necessary just because the MTA had a surplus but didn't give them (and the non-existing union members) enough of it.


Jesse - Dec 20, 2005 5:52:13 am PST #3486 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, I'm with you, bon. I support strong labor, but this is annoying.


Gudanov - Dec 20, 2005 5:52:23 am PST #3487 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Gud, what are southern style potatoes?

At least in the frozen tater section, they are a bag of frozen potatoes in little cubes.


brenda m - Dec 20, 2005 5:53:32 am PST #3488 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

On the bright side, I got my xmas bonus today.

That should happen today here as well. Unfortunately, instead of going toward its once-intended purpose, a trip to Russia for New Year's, it will instead be paying for (not even half) of my ... root canal.


Jessica - Dec 20, 2005 5:55:37 am PST #3489 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I support strong labor, but this is annoying.

ITA. This doesn't even seem to be about labor rights at this point, it's about Roger Toussaint proving that he's got bigger balls than Pataki. I say, lock 'em in a room with a scale and a ruler and get it the fuck over with.

I don't have a problem with labor unions going to bat for the next generation of workers -- that's what unions do. I have a HUGE problem with Roger Toussaint and his personal dick-waving contest.


tommyrot - Dec 20, 2005 5:58:59 am PST #3490 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

it will instead be paying for (not even half) of my ... root canal.

Yikes! That sucks. Is it causing you a lot of pain now? Did you get your ticket refunded?

Most or all of my bonus might end up going for my share of all my Dr. bills. But I probably won't have to start paying out large sums of money until next month. Then in Feb comes the tax refund....


Jesse - Dec 20, 2005 5:59:21 am PST #3491 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also, it sounds like even the MTA's proposed changes to the benefits still put the transit workers right in line with other people with really good benefits packages.

And I'm currently in the midst of an email campaign about the in-class final I'm supposed to be taking tomorrow night.


Gudanov - Dec 20, 2005 6:02:38 am PST #3492 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Canada is the new France at least for a little bit.

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