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'Touched'


Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Topic!Cindy - Jan 09, 2006 1:45:34 am PST #588 of 5968
What is even happening?

I wasn't sorry to see Boone killed off as the first Survivor Who was Played by an Actor in the Opening Credits (Not Including the Pilot, who was Killed Off in the Pilot) or SWWPbaAitOC(NItPwwKOitP), for short.

What?
And the most she will do
Is throw letters at you
But she's always a Bronzer to me

Hey, I liked Shannon well enough. I think the actress was OK and the character was starting to get interesting. I supposed sex with Sayid will do that for a girl. As for Boone, I pretty much agree, because the actor creeped me out. But the character -- as a lackey for Locke -- would have been interesting if the passengers become antagonistic toward each other.
This is true. The character was interesting, and although the step-cest squicked me out, it would have added another layer of conflict, if Locke hadn't drugged it out of him.

It's also possible that the shoes came from the luggage of the two tail-ender kids. They're not dead, only kidnapped.

Yes, but Locke didn't know that, particularly then. Days after a horrific accident that killed (as far as the original Losties know) a number of people on their flight, using a child's shoe (which clearly wasn't Walt's extra shoe) as a shovel, was just creepy.

I liked the kid shoe scene a lot. It was perfect Locke with a side of creepy.

This. What Laura said. I wasn't criticizing the scene. The creepiness of it added a cool level of characterization.


Narrator - Jan 09, 2006 3:54:43 am PST #589 of 5968
The evil is this way?

And the most she will do
Is throw letters at you
But she's always a Bronzer to me

Hee

although the step-cest squicked me out, it would have added another layer of conflict, if Locke hadn't drugged it out of him.

Yea, that's when I really got the sense that Locke was shaping Boone to be a minion -- stripping Boone of all of his defenses, learning all of his secrets. Which was nice and creepy. But then, Dead Boone.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 09, 2006 4:11:41 am PST #590 of 5968
What is even happening?

I haven't actually seen where Boone dies. I don't know if I missed it this season, when I was watching Veronica Mars, or have I not just gotten that far in season 1?


§ ita § - Jan 09, 2006 4:32:13 am PST #591 of 5968
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It didn't strike me as creepy so much as it did pragmatic improviser.

Why not use a kid's shoe if it's the right size for what you're doing? Would an adult shoe (not his) be creepy too?


Narrator - Jan 09, 2006 4:34:17 am PST #592 of 5968
The evil is this way?

He dies in Season 1. Locke has Boone do something dangerous -- cliimb a tree to look at a small plane that crashed there -- and Boone gets fatally hurt when the plane falls. Locke doesn't climb the tree himself because all of the sudden his legs seem to fail him. So, basically, Locke ignores the island warning him not to go up the tree (there were dreams earlier too) and gets Boone killed.

It was all very dramatic. Or boring. Or both.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 09, 2006 5:11:09 am PST #593 of 5968
What is even happening?

Why not use a kid's shoe if it's the right size for what you're doing? Would an adult shoe (not his) be creepy too?

I don't know. Maybe slightly less. It seems to me from Locke's POV, the shoe would have to be shoe of a dead kid, because (I'm pretty sure it was a little girl's sneaker from the looks of it) there were no little kids other than Walt, as far as he knew. There were lots of adults around. Either way, it struck (or would strike) me as ghoulish, particularly as using the shoe didn't seem to be much more useful than scooping sand with his hand (or some other sort of debris).

Again, I know it doesn't have to be the shoe of a dead kid, but I don't see how else Locke could have seen it, at the time.

He dies in Season 1. Locke has Boone do something dangerous -- cliimb a tree to look at a small plane that crashed there -- and Boone gets fatally hurt when the plane falls. Locke doesn't climb the tree himself because all of the sudden his legs seem to fail him. So, basically, Locke ignores the island warning him not to go up the tree (there were dreams earlier too) and gets Boone killed.

It was all very dramatic. Or boring. Or both.

Hee. It's funny how my perception of Boone and Shannon have changed. I saw up through Hearts and Minds when S1 first aired. It was soon after that I stopped watching, but I knew dribs and drabs of the plot, because I didn't avoid the discussion. I hated Shannon the first time out. This time, maybe because I already knew her to be snickerbitch, I found her a lot more interesting, and at times, even somewhat sympathetic. Last time, I don't think Boone bothered me. This time, I find him much more creepy.


DCJensen - Jan 09, 2006 7:02:26 am PST #594 of 5968
All is well that ends in pizza.

I'm going with Locke being pragmatic. He's using what they have to do what he wants. He may have even thanked the island for the shoe, and paused to silently thank the owner, and wish him well on his journey to the afterlife. Then he would use the shoe, because it was there and he might as well use it.


DCJensen - Jan 09, 2006 7:05:12 am PST #595 of 5968
All is well that ends in pizza.

I wish someone would think of all the electronics and wiring and so on that could be salvaged from the cockpit.

Also? Even underwater for 40+ days, there might be more to be salvaged from the wreckage of the tail section.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 09, 2006 8:24:56 am PST #596 of 5968
What is even happening?

I'm going with Locke being pragmatic. He's using what they have to do what he wants. He may have even thanked the island for the shoe, and paused to silently thank the owner, and wish him well on his journey to the afterlife. Then he would use the shoe, because it was there and he might as well use it.

I think it's more interesting if he's kept slightly creepy while being grateful to the island, etc., etc.


Theodosia - Jan 10, 2006 10:39:53 am PST #597 of 5968
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"