Like, okay, it's time for the obligatory Mock John Locke scene.

The "Lost Untangled" does a good job of summarizing that. It's all "Come back! To the island!"/"Noooooo!!" over and over.

I wonder if Locke killing himself might have messed something up with the plan (i.e. a variation on "suicides can't get into heaven"), whereas if Ben kills him, it will all work out OK.

The Island won't let him kill himself, maybe?

I'm confused how John knowing to contact Eloise tipped the scale. Because Ben is then in contact with her, as we've seen, working together.

It's possible, as Juliebird said, that he's just a control freak. Locke killing himself appeared to be what he was going to do when he was following Widmore; Ben knew he needed to die but wanted him to go out on HIS terms.I'll bet when he wakes up, he's going to be all, "Hey, man, I knew you'd come back to life on the Island; you should THANK me [even though you would have been dead without my help unless you chickened out at the last second]."

I have a feeling Christian was on the Island before.

The Island won't let him kill himself, maybe?

I forgot that part. Between that and the suicide not working out the same it makes more sense. Saving him to kill him is not random.

Somebody remind me, how did Christian Shepard die?

He was killed at a bar, right? Did Sawyer shoot him? Or was that a misdirect?

During this time, Jack flew to Australia to find Christian, upon his mother's urging. He was told that Christian had been found dead in a Sydney alley, with his blood alcohol concentration so high that it was probably responsible for the massive heart attack that ostensibly led to his death.

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He was killed at a bar, right? Did Sawyer shoot him? Or was that a misdirect?

That was someone else. That was the person he thought was Sawyer. He talked to Christian right before shooting him.

I'm just wondering if Christian is no more really-truly-dead than John is, now.

Well, Jack did find the empty coffin all those years ago.

I'm just wondering if Christian is no more really-truly-dead than John is, now.

The show is certainly leading us to believe there's a direct parallel.

And yet Ben is the one who insists Locke has to come back to the island.

And Ben made sure that Locke still returned to the island, just, ya know, dead.

I'm thinking, Ben didn't want Locke to kill himself because he does believe that everyone needs to get back to the island, and Locke can help with that, since he's must trusted by a long-shot than Ben himself is. And then when Ben sees that Locke is going to steal Ben's specialness again with the knowledge of Eloise, he snaps.

I'm confused on the timeline of Sayid's after-island life. They've been back three years? So the first nine months or so are bliss with Nadia, then he starts working for Ben, I don't remember what happened that made Sayid finally lose his taste for Ben, and since then he's been do Good Works? Because all I can remember is the reveal that Sayid had been working for Ben, then Sayid telling Hurley to do the opposite of whatever Ben says. What did I miss? I had just figured that even though Sayid was still working for Ben, he hated and distrusted him, but went along anyway.