Man. That ep was entertaining. What a wild fucking ride.

so with all this "i can't kill you" crap between Ben and Widmore, i'm guessing they're each others constants or some crap. and if one kills the other, something baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad will happen to the other.

so with all this "i can't kill you" crap between Ben and Widmore, i'm guessing they're each others constants or some crap. and if one kills the other, something baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad will happen to the other.

Ooh, that's an interesting idea.

So I'm starting to get the impression that Ben = SloanDaddy. He's such a fusion of Jack Bristow and Arvin Sloan, it's a little (hell - a lot) scary.

Ha! Very nice.

Ben is a fascinating bastard. His small grin as he walked away from Sayid was like a slap in the face against all the good will he's generated otherwise this episode, but it was an INTRIGUING slap.

I love Ben so much. That smile was awesome. Are we supposed to believe that he had Nadia killed just to get Sayid on his side? Because, Christ.

What a wild fucking ride.

I was really surprised when they killed Alex. I was sure she had to be faking or something.

So it looks like the entirety of everything is actually a game of Ben vs. Widmore in some way.

So it looks like the entirety of everything is actually a game of Ben vs. Widmore in some way.

I was thinking that, too. That (although I'm sure that JJ Abrams didn't actually plan the series this way, not from the beginning) the island is the prize in a long battle between Ben and Widmore (Ben said that Widmore "changed the rules" twice in last night's episode, and I think that's telling), and that everything -- and everyone -- else is just collateral damage.

Including the crash survivors. Which is interesting, because it's a focus that, like I said, I don't think the series started out with. Not at all.

ION, I still have a hard time hearing Caleb from The O.C. have a British accent (though faint).

Ben said that Widmore "changed the rules" twice in last night's episode, and I think that's telling

That, and Widmore's "That's MY island." I'm wondering if he funded the Dharma Initiative back in the day, and Ben somehow managed to undermine/take over.

I'm also intrigued by the possibility (as someone posited last night) that everything in the "real" world we saw with Ben could have happened during the brief period he was in his secret room.

I think I would put it as the "brief periods" he was in his secret room. I think he uses that room a lot. As do 1 or 2 other people in his crew.

"SloanDaddy" - I like it.

I'm very sad that they killed Alex - poor kid. And the SMOKE MONSTER reappearing!

I can't believe that Sayid found Nadia, married her and then lost her again. So sad.

So. I haven't watched yet, but it just got kicked up in the queue.

ION, I still have a hard time hearing Caleb from The O.C. have a British accent (though faint).

OH MY GOD THAT'S HIM!!! I never noticed.

hearing Caleb from The O.C. have a British accent

isn't he a kiwi? *goes to check imdb* yep! new zealand it is!