I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Jessica - May 24, 2006 7:17:24 pm PDT #2075 of 5968
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm so bored I can't even...bleah.

I mean, dude. I honestly don't mind shit being made up on the fly, I really don't. But after two years, someone needs to make a fucking decision about what something, anything, means. Make your world up as you go along, but damnit, commit to what you've made up once you've done it. "Look, somthing shiny!" is not good worldbuilding.

(And I wouldn't even mind the lame-ass worldbuilding if there were something interesting going on with the main characters, but there's not even any drama there anymore!)

I think I'll probably skip S3. Wake me if something happens, though.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 24, 2006 7:59:27 pm PDT #2076 of 5968
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

was anyone else waiting for another plane crash?

At first I thought that plummeting hatch with the "quarantine" sign on it was the plane engine from Donnie Darko falling to earth.


Hayden - May 24, 2006 8:26:45 pm PDT #2077 of 5968
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

As someone who keeps quitting this stupid series, it irritates the crap (and the carp, which I originally typed) out of me that no one on this show can tell another person the vital piece of information that should be obvious at the time that it should obviously be said. Everyone talks like gnomic Hallmark cards. I've said it before and will say it again: these people deserve any bad luck that befalls them because they are all written to be as stupid a possible. Why would Hume (was his first name Desmond?) not tell Locke immediately that he tried not entering the numbers before and the whole station nearly went kablooey? Why would Jack confront Michael about his betrayal when he did rather than later? Why wouldn't Michael mention the thing Walt said about the Others not being who they appear to be? Why do the Others assume that directionally-challenged Hurley can find his way back to the camp? How in hell was Clancy Brown (!) painting the stupid map from memory so accurately? And, most importantly, how was his character a representation of the ideas of John Calvin or Hume's character a representation of the ideas of David Hume? I get why Locke & Rousseau are so named, but is this shit just arbitrary?

That said, I'm pretty sure that most aircraft navigational equipment would be affected by powerful electromagnet bursts. It's not unreasonable that the plane could have been flying blind at a different altitude than it thought (which would explain the high survival rate, too).

Also, if what's-his-face, Eko, and Locke aren't all dead, I'm quitting this show again. Heck, I'm still disappointed that the boat Michael & Walt were on didn't blow up immediately.


DXMachina - May 25, 2006 2:55:28 am PDT #2078 of 5968
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

That said, I'm pretty sure that most aircraft navigational equipment would be affected by powerful electromagnet bursts. It's not unreasonable that the plane could have been flying blind at a different altitude than it thought (which would explain the high survival rate, too).

A powerful magnetic source would have an effect on navigation systems, by interfering with GPS signals. However, IIRC the pilot said they were 1000 miles off course, which would imply that the nav/radio systems were affected at least an hour before the crash. As for the altitude, a drop from 5000 ft is just as likely to be fatal as a drop from 37,000 ft. Unless it's magic (or technology sufficiently advanced that it's indistinguishable from magic).

We all remember that Clancy Brown was the CIA agent who used Sayid in Iraq, right?


Kevin - May 25, 2006 4:43:17 am PDT #2079 of 5968
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

My dad used to work in the RAF (Royal Air Force), on 'fly-by-wire' systems (that is, electronic aircraft control systems). He did tell me that electromagnetic interference could cause problems - for example, the controllers on the Tornado jets could occasionally 'lock up' for a few seconds.

That said, the 1000 miles off course line comes from the pilot episode, which I know for a fact didn't have a lot of the current show canon worked out. Ultimately, as it goes along you are going to see more and more events which don't match very early episodes, but there's no way out of that really.

I can say the show has suffered a big loss of audience share this year - about 30% down - so I presume they are going to have to change things next year. A very arc heavy focus lost them audience share.

ETA: Well, attempted arc.


sumi - May 25, 2006 4:48:31 am PDT #2080 of 5968
Art Crawl!!!

THAT'S who that was!

Also, who was Penny's dad? He looked very familiar.


sumi - May 25, 2006 4:49:52 am PDT #2081 of 5968
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, and I also thought that the Arctic stuff was an ad.


Amy - May 25, 2006 4:50:30 am PDT #2082 of 5968
Because books.

We all remember that Clancy Brown was the CIA agent who used Sayid in Iraq, right?

I completely forgot about that. Huh.


lisah - May 25, 2006 4:53:06 am PDT #2083 of 5968
Punishingly Intricate

it irritates the crap (and the carp, which I originally typed) out of me that no one on this show can tell another person the vital piece of information that should be obvious at the time that it should obviously be said. Everyone talks like gnomic Hallmark cards.

That is EXACTLY why I had to give the show up this year (but I like to check in on what folks here are saying about it). I have to deal with enough piss-poor communicators in my working life. I don't need to waste time watching them on my tv.


Jessica - May 25, 2006 4:54:00 am PDT #2084 of 5968
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Penny's dad was Caleb from the O.C. (Making E and I laugh heartily at the "Newport Beach" on the back of the boat.)

I completely missed the Hume thing, and have been hearing Calvin as Kelvin all this time.

We all remember that Clancy Brown was the CIA agent who used Sayid in Iraq, right?

Why...yes. Yes I did. (No, no I didn't. The problem with not caring very much anymore is that it makes it difficult to pay attention to things the writers seem to think are important.)