Tara: What's so bad about them coming here? Aren't they good guys? I mean, Watchers, that's just like whole other Gileses, right? Buffy: Yes! They're scary and horrible!

'Potential'


Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Daisy Jane - Nov 02, 2005 4:30:17 pm PST #921 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Yes. I have the Yay!Flu. If you saw the state of my finances and knew my true level of responsibility you would call it the Yay!Flu too. As would any hypothetical sprog.


Jessica - Nov 02, 2005 4:30:46 pm PST #922 of 10006
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I am pretty sure what killed Jim Henson was bacterial pneumonia, so, in disease terms, kind of a "piano dropped on your head" kind of illness. In the sense that it is unlikely to happen, but when it does, hello to the dirt nap.

Most flu-related deaths are from secondary bacterial pneumonia. It's dangerously easy to catch when your immune system has been compromised. (And in this modern era of antibiotics, completely treatable if you catch it early. Which Jim Henson did not.)

So, flu shot --> no flu --> no weakened immune system for bacterial pneumonia to infect --> no death.


Betsy HP - Nov 02, 2005 4:32:36 pm PST #923 of 10006
If I only had a brain...

When I got pneumonia last year, it was an aftereffect of the flu.

Hey, that was two Springs ago! Yea!


§ ita § - Nov 02, 2005 4:32:45 pm PST #924 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Didn't he die of strep(ish)? Does strep often follow the flu? Or is it more lethal when it does, you're saying?


Jessica - Nov 02, 2005 4:37:31 pm PST #925 of 10006
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Or is it more lethal when it does, you're saying?

This. Influenza is rarely lethal by itself -- it almost always kills by weakening your immune system and leaving you vulnerable to bacteria you would normally fight off.

(The 1918 strain also killed by provoking such a violent immune response that patients' white cells essentially devoured their own lungs, but that was special circumstances.)


sarameg - Nov 02, 2005 4:45:40 pm PST #926 of 10006

(The 1918 strain also killed by provoking such a violent immune response that patients' white cells essentially devoured their own lungs, but that was special circumstances.)

I vaguely recall hearing something about the fact that those with robust immune systems, if they contracted, were pretty much doomed because of the response. But that may have been another flu. Or I was waking up and misunderstood.

Mom had pneumonia a couple years ago. Over TG. I took leave to take care of her. It wasn't fun. Delerious moms aren't.


DXMachina - Nov 02, 2005 4:46:30 pm PST #927 of 10006
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I have had the flu once in the past 10 years, and while that edition of the flu knocked me silly and kept me coughing for weeks afterwards (my doctor suspects I have mild asthma, which slows down recovery a lot)

See, I have the same mild asthma, and this has happened to me a couple of times now. The last time it happened, it was a year and more before I stopped coughing. I'm getting my shot tomorrow.


Trudy Booth - Nov 02, 2005 4:49:39 pm PST #928 of 10006
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

This is what I had always heard about Henson's death: [link] [link]

About eighteen months earlier I'd had a sudden vicious strep infection (the only one I'd ever had) that nearly killed me. Not long after Henson died my Docor theorized that I'd been on the beginning of the bellcurve before it got big and trackable. It was only theory, of course, since any culture of the thing was long gone. Creeped me out nonetheless.


Jessica - Nov 02, 2005 4:50:30 pm PST #929 of 10006
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I vaguely recall hearing something about the fact that those with robust immune systems, if they contracted, were pretty much doomed because of the response.

Yup -- the one plague in history where being outside the 20-40-and-healthy demographic was a plus.


Daisy Jane - Nov 02, 2005 4:50:54 pm PST #930 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

he 1918 strain also killed by provoking such a violent immune response that patients' white cells essentially devoured their own lungs, but that was special circumstances.

Ish. Sometimes I wish I'd paid more attention in Biology, and then I remember, no I don't.