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Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Nov 02, 2005 1:28:30 am PST #652 of 10006
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Heh, I was watching a taped movie last night, and then TiVoing, so I didn't hear about the closed Senate thing until Jon Stewart told me about it. Go, Dems! (At long last.)

My cynicism says that if 7.1 billion dollars have been allotted to deal with bird flu, then Haliburton has figured out a way to suck up most of it.


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2005 3:54:34 am PST #653 of 10006
Woe to the fucking wicked.

My instructor was showing us how to teach long multiplication on paper. She maintains that not putting in place-holding zeros is the Right and Proper Way.

Mathy people, particularly, does that seem right to you?

Obviously, you can do it that way, but is it particularly encouraged not to?


amych - Nov 02, 2005 3:57:35 am PST #654 of 10006
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think she's being a hardass, Debet. The zeroes aren't necessary for the algorithm, but they sure as hell help to give you a visual check that you've got the columns lined up right. Especially when you have third-grade not-yet-too-lined-up handwriting to contend with.


DXMachina - Nov 02, 2005 3:58:52 am PST #655 of 10006
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

She maintains that not putting in place-holding zeros is the Right and Proper Way.

If I'm understanding you correctly, that's the way I was taught.


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2005 3:58:54 am PST #656 of 10006
Woe to the fucking wicked.

We're using graph paper, so it's less of a concern, and they've got the idea of Tens times Units starts at Tens. It just still seemed odd.


DXMachina - Nov 02, 2005 4:03:07 am PST #657 of 10006
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It may be something akin to Tom Lehrer's line about "If you're under thirty-five or went to a private school, you say '7 from three is six,' but if you're over thirty-five and went to a public school, you say '8 from 4 is six.'"

FWIW, I never had problems lining up the columns. In fact it never even occurred to me that someone would put zeroes there until this morning.


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2005 4:13:48 am PST #658 of 10006
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, I thought it might be a generation gap thing.


amych - Nov 02, 2005 4:15:44 am PST #659 of 10006
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Mmm... graph paper...

I don't remember having problems either, but then again, my elementary-school self viewed any such crutches as a sign of weakness and needing to be culled from the herd. I was not a particularly nice child.


DXMachina - Nov 02, 2005 4:18:43 am PST #660 of 10006
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I should also point out that when Games publishes those puzzles where the numbers in a multiplication problem have been replaced by letters, they don't include no steenkin' placeholders.


amych - Nov 02, 2005 4:20:17 am PST #661 of 10006
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I should also point out that when Games publishes those puzzles where the numbers in a multiplication problem have been replaced by letters, they don't include no steenkin' placeholders.

Of course not. In a puzzle, it would give away too much.