Illyria: Wesley's dead. I'm feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence. Spike: Well, wishes just happen to be horses today.

'Not Fade Away'


Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


kat perez - Nov 15, 2005 12:03:13 pm PST #4385 of 10006
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I love the Otis version. A man needs his propers when he gets home just like a woman does.


Wolfram - Nov 15, 2005 12:05:57 pm PST #4386 of 10006
Visilurking

I'm curious if anyone else has seen this guy, or it's just circulating in my circle of Jews:

Matisyahu

To my untrained ear he sounds pretty good, although watching him brings on a strange sort of sensory dissonance.


erikaj - Nov 15, 2005 12:06:25 pm PST #4387 of 10006
Always Anti-fascist!

I could never really choose, but Aretha's is...iconic for a reason.


Jesse - Nov 15, 2005 12:07:52 pm PST #4388 of 10006
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I've never heard the Otis version, sadly.

It sounds off to me, and I guess it's because when it's sung by a woman it's reactionary and trying to tip things towards balance, whereas by a man it's more likely to be status quo.

Yeah, but I wish it didn't, so therefore I support both men and women in looking for a little respect.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2005 12:08:33 pm PST #4389 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

R-E-S-P-E-C-T as sung by a man vs. as sung by a woman?

Not Jesse, but I think it would kind of depend on who was singing it.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2005 12:10:31 pm PST #4390 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it would kind of depend on who was singing it.

Otis v. Aretha.

Of course, my all time "No, gender was important to the meaning" is If I Was Your Girlfriend (see how it comes back to TLC? They jumped my shark with Waterfalls).


sarameg - Nov 15, 2005 12:11:13 pm PST #4391 of 10006

Matisyahu

I've been hearing him on the local indie/folk station (WTMD) for about a month now. Of course, until maybe a week ago, I thought it was "Modest Yahoo" because...well, it sounds awfully close, damnit.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2005 12:13:15 pm PST #4392 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the Otis one makes me think "Woman, I pay you too well for you to act this way!" and the Aretha makes me think "After all I do, how can you treat me that way when I get home?"

As I type that, I fully realise that if, say, late-era TLC had sung it, I'd have filed them with Otis (who I love, honest) and not Aretha, probably, so it's not gender -- it's vibe.


kat perez - Nov 15, 2005 12:13:37 pm PST #4393 of 10006
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I alternately hate and love the TLC version of If I Was Your Girlfriend because T-Boz manages to do such a spot on Prince impersonation and yet. . .so wholly unnecessary. If I want Prince, I'll listen to Prince. But that doesn't mean that a female version couldn't potentially be good. Just not that one. Why is gender important to the meaning of that song for you?

Anyway, I've moved on to Born to Run. And it is good.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2005 12:15:39 pm PST #4394 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Otis v. Aretha.

I see that now. I think I tend toward Aretha, though I haven't heard Otis's. I think if it were sung pleading and bluesy as opposed to loud and soulfully it would be ok.