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Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Nov 10, 2005 9:48:48 am PST #2827 of 10006

Only time I really really truly hated and despised and got a rotten headache from being around a smoker was one who also smelled pungently of stale instant coffee, stale sweat, old-person breath mint (there is really no other description) AND cigar smoke. I think it was less the smoke than the combination. It was a professor, and I used to always try to sit by an open window. Even in February.

I don't like smoking anywhere not well ventilated. The minute I can smell it on me, it's time to shower or do laundry or something.


Allyson - Nov 10, 2005 9:49:00 am PST #2828 of 10006
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

You know ita, when you went out for your first job interview here, I felt so awful all day, that your clothes probably reeked of smoke and how irritating that must be for a non-smoker. Seriously, I thought about how it was affecting you, a lot, and yet still, couldn't make myself stop.


Theodosia - Nov 10, 2005 9:50:53 am PST #2829 of 10006
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Molly Ivins gives me many reasons to like her.

Something that I don't think can be stated often enough: torture rarely works. In fact, intelligence obtained by torture is mostly wrong, it's far too easy for the torturer to get the torturee to tell them definitively what they want to hear. Bad intelligence is worse than no intelligence, which is how you end up digging up holes all over Iraq certain you're going to find WMDs.

So not only is the CIA torturing people, torturing innocent people, torturing and violating the Geneva Conventions which keep our own people safer during wartime, they're getting bad intelligence to boot. This makes sense in what topsy turvy world that Cheney lives in?


Jessica - Nov 10, 2005 9:52:11 am PST #2830 of 10006
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Still, a co-worker is calling me Omarosa, and I mightn't watch reality TV, but I know that's not good.

I don't know this co-worker of yours, but you'd be justified in kicking her in the head.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2005 9:52:31 am PST #2831 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Allyson, I didn't notice the smoke (when you weren't smoking) until after I moved out. And when you were smoking ... well, you were just smoking. You weren't actually grinding ash out in my lungs or anything.

My mother smoked pretty heavily until I was a teenager -- constant cigarette smoke becomes invisible to me pretty quickly.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2005 9:53:09 am PST #2832 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

you'd be justified in kicking her in the head

Did Omarosa have a concussion or anything? I'm hoping that was the segue.


Theodosia - Nov 10, 2005 9:54:23 am PST #2833 of 10006
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Heh, now these are cozies indeed:

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Cashmere - Nov 10, 2005 9:54:37 am PST #2834 of 10006
Now tagless for your comfort.

Now I feel like ass. Is it really that bad? Like when I'm just sitting next to someone? Should I carry barf bags?

Allyson, I usually only notice smoke smell in a bar (not that often anymore) and at my sister's house--where there are like six smokers living there. But when my Dad sits next to me (he's a moderate smoker), I hardly notice at all. I think my mom Fabreezes his coats and stuff and he tends to smoke outside a lot.

If I'm in a place where smokers dwell, I don't notice the smell on me, my clothes or hair until I've left the general vicinity.


tommyrot - Nov 10, 2005 9:57:22 am PST #2835 of 10006
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I like the smell of smoking (unless I sit with a couple of heavy smokers for, say, four hours). But what I really really hate is riding in a car in the winter with someone who's smoking and has a window cracked open. For some reason, the combination of smoke, ice-cold air and moving car just makes me feel ill.


Allyson - Nov 10, 2005 9:57:42 am PST #2836 of 10006
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I am one with febreeze, candles, and incense. Also, since I live in a single, I find that regularly cleaning the rug and washing my bedding is helpful to keeping the place from becoming a total ashtray. But I don't notice it much myself, because, you know, smoker.