Oh, I know. To be fair, I'm not sure too many people in the Christian world are really described there either. My main point was just that, um, okay I'm not really sure what my main point was actually.

Maybe that everything is more confusing than it ought to be.

I have 2 out of my 3 holiday "things in jars" gifts decided, and am still wavering on the 3rd. Here are some of my ideas:

I vote strawberry! What are your other two items??

The One True Christmas Carol is "O Holy Night."

Yes, yes it is. I love that song. It's my favorite Christmas carol.

I love this whole holiday conversation, but have nothing to add as all my brain cells are being used for school right now. Christmas is my all-time favorite holiday and I love it with a passion. I identify and celebrate the religious aspects and revel in the secular ones, too. I love the birth of Christ story, I love the angels, I love Santa, I love Christmas trees, I love Christmas carols and radio stations that play Christmas music 24/7, I love spending time with friends and family, I love egg nog, I love being on reindeer watch with my nieces/nephews, all of it.

I vote strawberry! What are your other two items??

Caramelized red onion relish, and mango/red pepper chutney. And cranberry liqueur, but that's in bottles not jars. (Note to self: buy vodka and cranberries.)

Caramelized red onion relish, and mango/red pepper chutney

Yum. Do you have recipes for these?

Relish and chutney.

Wow, you guys are deep. Lots of fascinating discussion goings-on. I have nothing to add, except maybe Nora, does it have to be oval? Because Overstock has something similar with a heart . Or, if you could settle for the toggle-type bracelet, they have bajillions.

Hec, want me to kick her butt? It won't be as definitive as an ita asskick, but quite memorable, nonetheless.

Yes, please. Preferably when she's at the top of a stairway.

Preferably when she's at the top of a stairway.

Oh lord. We're having even more than our usual to-do around here because our biannual big ass client conference is coming up this weekend and Friday night's blacktie dinner speaker fell down the stairs at his home and punctured a lung.

Damn. Lungs are pretty high on the "things to not puncture" list....

Oh brenda. How awful.

I think a Cultural [whatever religion] is probably best spoken of in terms of identity. If a person identifies as Religion X in a default sort of way, rather than a religious-understanding sort of way, s/he's still a Cultural [whatever]. What the person does with that identification, such as attending religious services only on major holy days, or keeping up traditional celebrations despite not attending services (and everything in between) is probably too it-depends-on-the-individual to define.