Fingers definitely crossed for you, Stephanie.

Heya. I have Dry Eye, lucky me. Starting to feel a bit beaten down, yessirree.

eta: see - this is why we are testing. :) We are using USPS so probably 2-3 days depending on where we are shipping to. It will probably take us just 1 day to get the coffee in the mail.

Oh, excellent. I think I'll wait until next week, then, so it's nice and fresh, but also not a time crunch the week of Xmas.

If a patient in my Ob/Gyn's practice needs an abortion she'll get one. If there is a doctor there who doesn't perform them s/he has worked this out with the other doctors in the practice and doesn't get up in any patients' faces about it. I see nothing wrong with this.

If a pharmacy does the same thing its an internal matter and none of my business.

They're sending me Angel and The Areas of My Expertise

I need to order The Areas of My Expertise for DH for Christmas. He'll love the stuff on Hobos.

I'm pretty sure the first OB/GYN practice I found where we used to live didn't perform abortions *and* didn't refer, because the hospital they were affiliated with was Catholic.

I know a woman who delivered at a Catholic hospital here and didn't realize she couldn't get a tubal ligation done after her last child. We have a practice here in town that doesn't prescribe BC at all but I don't know if they're all Catholic doctors.

I think medical students who specialize in OB/gyn can opt out of learning to perform abortions if it clashes with their beliefs.

I know pharmacists have to learn about the drugs and their interactions. It's not an easy job by any means but they make a SHIT TON of money for counting pills and filling bottles.

Part of what makes me so angry about the whole issue of pharmacists refusing to fill scripts (more specifically confiscating or tearing up scripts for BC, EC or Valtrex) is that their righteous indignation is often only directed at women. Do those same pharmacists refuse to fill scripts for Viagra? Or do they check and see if the man getting the little blue pills is married? What if he's cheating on his wife?

It's none of their fucking business. Dispense the pills and be done with it.

Part of what makes me so angry about the whole issue of pharmacists refusing to fill scripts (more specifically confiscating or tearing up scripts for BC, EC or Valtrex) is that their righteous indignation is often only directed at women. Do those same pharmacists refuse to fill scripts for Viagra? Or do they check and see if the man getting the little blue pills is married? What if he's cheating on his wife?

Standing in Cash's corner.

Just saw the coffee link. Good luck, Stephanie--I hope it's a raging success!

If a pharmacy does the same thing its an internal matter and none of my business.

I don't have a problem so much with a pharmacist who won't fill certain prescriptions personally but will pass them on to another pharmacist at the same location for filling. As long as the customer gets seamless service. I mean, it bothers me, but it doesn't seem as big a deal.

What really scares me is the stories about pharmacists who won't fill prescriptions, forcing patients to go elsewhere when there may not be a convenient elsewhere to go to. Even worse, the pharmacists who destroy prescriptions -- preventing patients from going anywhere else at all and effectively overruling doctors' professional judgment on non-scientific ideological grounds -- especially when accompanied by religious rants directed at patients. I mean, if that's your view, become a preacher and let others take care of health matters.

I googled pharmacist refuse fill and got a shitload of matches:

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If a pharmacy does the same thing its an internal matter and none of my business.

I don't have a problem so much with a pharmacist who won't fill certain prescriptions personally but will pass them on to another pharmacist at the same location for filling. As long as the customer gets seamless service. I mean, it bothers me, but it doesn't seem as big a deal.

What really scares me is the stories about pharmacists who won't fill prescriptions, forcing patients to go elsewhere when there may not be a convenient elsewhere to go to. Even worse, the pharmacists who destroy prescriptions -- preventing patients from going anywhere else at all and effectively overruling doctors' professional judgment on non-scientific ideological grounds -- especially when accompanied by religious rants directed at patients.

And that's exactly it. If pharmacist A won't fill a prescription, but pharmacist B, who is working at the same time as pharmacist A, will fill it, then the customer isn't affected. The customer may not even know that pharmacist A had an objection.

But the cases that are getting publicity aren't those kinds of cases. The issue is pharmacies that don't have an alternate pharmacist on hand when pharmacist A says "Sorry; I won't dispense this legitimately prescribed legal drug to you EVEN THOUGH IT'S MY JOB TO DO SO, because I personally don't think it's right for people to use this legal drug."

That might be an internal matter, but if it's your prescription that's being torn up, I'd say it IS your business. That's interfering with a patient's medical care, and flies dangerously close to negligence, IMO. (And also theft, because the prescription belongs to the patient.)

Am I mistaken in thinking that the basic procedure for abortion - D&C - is the same whether or not a woman is having a voluntary abortion, or, for example, has had a partial miscarriage or death of the embryo and lack of spontaneous miscarriage? I can't imagine an Ob/Gyn that hasn't had to deal with those situations, and I can't see any moral objection to performing a D&C for those clear medical reasons. Therefore I can't imagine why anyone could in good conscience refuse to learn how to do a D&C.