And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Astarte - Nov 19, 2005 5:42:41 am PST #5717 of 10003
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

My kerfuffle meter is very sensitive at the moment. I'm probably overreacting, Jessica.

I just don't come into Bitches very much anymore, and I didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring them if they took exception to what I wrote.


Cashmere - Nov 19, 2005 5:53:00 am PST #5718 of 10003
Now tagless for your comfort.

Okay, now I'm just confused. I was really enjoying this discussion, and didn't realize we were kerfuffling at all.

I really enjoy getting other people's opinions on sticky subjects like this. I realize mine's not the only opinion--nor the "right" one. People have interesting takes on their own individual experiences. I like to hear what people have to say.


SailAweigh - Nov 19, 2005 6:08:57 am PST #5719 of 10003
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Cash, I'm very much with you there. Sometimes, I don't even offer my own opinion because I'm too interested in the discourse that others are contributing to. I'm one of those people who is very wishy-washy. I can see both sides of the story so well, that I often have a hard time taking a firm stance of my own. I'll end up saying "what they said" to both sides and then people get pissy with me (I'm thinking my daughter here, no one on the board :).) In this instance, I'ma say "what Jessica said" because I've served on a jury, also, and I know how totally subjective the jury can be in its decision making. I was unprepared for that and found myself going along with the majority because I had no confidence that any of them would listen to what I had to say anymore than what they'd heard out in the courtroom. I do think we made the right decision, but for all the wrong reasons.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2005 6:10:28 am PST #5720 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It wasn't quite a kerfuffle. It was more like a two-step. One step up on a hot issue, and one step back.

I still have no problem with the guy who kidnapped and raped the teenaed girl and cut off her arms being executed. Or the guy who kidnapped Polly Klaas. There's no doubt about their guilt in either instance, and they're evil, unfixable humans who committed cruel, sadistic and vicious crimes. The two guys who rode around in their vans and tortured women and taped it? Also should be very dead.

But there just aren't a whole lot of instances like that where you have obviously monstrous people who are unambiguously caught.

I'm working on my book pitch this weekend, along with going into work.

JZ being more virtuous, got up and out the door by 7:30 on a Saturday morning to go down to Perkins' house and get Julianna's room ready for her.


Jessica - Nov 19, 2005 6:19:54 am PST #5721 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Has anyone else read James Alan Gardners' League of Peoples books?

In his 'verse, the League of Peoples is controlled by an alien cabal of beings so highly evolved that nobody knows anything about then, except that their requirement for sentience (and membership in the League) is that you, as a species, agree to stop killing other sentient beings. Anyone who commits murder is declared a "dangerous nonsentient" and dies instantly if they try to leave their planet. The humans in this universe are naturally suspicious of the League rulers, but nobody's ever caught them making a mistake, and anyway, it's still better to join them than have your entire species declared nonsentient.

Anyway, they're very good books.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2005 6:27:52 am PST #5722 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The humans in this universe are naturally suspicious of the League rulers, but nobody's ever caught them making a mistake, and anyway, it's still better to join them than have your entire species declared nonsentient.

That's an interesting premise. The comic book Nexus had a more twisted presmise. An ancient, supremely powerful alien race gave one man horrible visions of evil murderers and the power to hunt them down and kill them. Sometimes these were tyrants and despots who were safe on their own planets. Sometimes savage kid psychopaths that Nexus would hunt down on the streets and kill in front of people who had no way of knowing the kid was evil.

The writer, Mike Baron, created the character starting from the notion "People like characters who kill. How can I justify that?"

Of course, later Nexus finally meets his last surviving alien power giver and finds out he's completely mad. Still 100% correct in finding killers, but insane.

That's what you get for trusting alien justice!


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2005 6:40:51 am PST #5723 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

That's what you get for trusting alien justice!

Big Blue Justice = always better.

Intellectually, I think the death penalty is barbaric and wrong. Intellectually, I *want* to believe that no one is beyond rehabilitation. And the justice system is fucked in a big way. Our jails, as they exist now, are entirely non-conducive to rehabilitation. Want to make a criminal even worse? Throw him in jail.

That said, I'm also incredibly vengeful, and if anyone I loved were raped or murdered, I'd go vigilante and kill the fucker myself.

So. I'm a bundle of contradictions.

Oh, and also -- anyone who misuses quotation marks and apostrophes gets whacked, too. Because that's the only way people will learn.


Allyson - Nov 19, 2005 6:42:07 am PST #5724 of 10003
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

According to everything I've ever read about how the human brain and memory works, eyewitness testimony's just about the least reliable form of evidence ever. People make things up all the time and they don't even know it.

I think that's so interesting and I wonder why it is. When I was attacked, the police called me when I got home from the hospital and said, "write it all down, now, while it's fresh."

And I found that things were jumbled in my head, so I called a friend who is very good at interviewing people and she asked me questions about the sequence of events. I didn't realize it at the time but they were all non-leading sorts of things. What did you see? What did he smell like? What did he say? What street were you on? Why did you take a left, there?

And we wrote it all out like an essay, and even then, months later, something would occur to me and I didn't know if it really happened or if my memory was filling in the nooks with nonsense spackle. I can remember the sequence of events very clearly, but I can't remember at all how I felt during it. It was just an overwhelming calm, no fear, no anger, just my mind checking off a list of how to get out of this. Like the world around just started moving in slow motion.

I think a lot of things would have disappeared if I hadn't written them down. Like taking notes in a class, the act of physically writing it out helps to cement things, at least in a sequence.

I wonder why the brain chooses to color outside the lines when it comes to memory. What's the benefit?


Jessica - Nov 19, 2005 6:42:08 am PST #5725 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, and also -- anyone who misuses quotation marks and apostrophes gets whacked, too. Because that's the only way people will learn.

By coming back as grammar-ghosts and haunting people into correct punctuation usage?


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2005 6:44:30 am PST #5726 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oh, and also -- anyone who misuses quotation marks and apostrophes gets whacked, too. Because that's the only way people will learn.

By coming back as grammar-ghosts and haunting people into correct punctuation usage?

Nah -- if you know you could die for writing "I have no room for all these book's in my house!", then I think you'd learn proper punctuation real damn fast.

(This, of course, is why I'm not a teacher.)