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Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2005 10:07:10 am PST #5045 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Yeah, I'm not so righteous (note: righteous, not self righteous) in my moral choices that I'm going to fuck somebody else's life up to enforce my values.

Even if you've agreed to an honor code that demands you do? Most of them if you don't squeal you're in violation.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2005 10:07:27 am PST #5046 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I kind of think that, even though it was dictated by circumstance, vw ended up with a pretty good response. Alert the prof to the fact that this is going on - he/she can choose to be more vigilant, or to consider assignments that don't lend themselves to copying, etc.

But I wouldn't turn someone in by name, especially for something that wasn't impacting me specifically and directly. It'd be different if someone turned in, say, the paper I'd just written so that there would be a risk that I either wouldn't get credit or would look like I was the one cheating. (Which actually kind of happened to someone I know recently, and who got some flack for reporting it.)

ETA: I think in this case I'd be saving some of my outrage for the professor who apparently accepted late submissions after categorically stating that he wouldn't.


Steph L. - Nov 16, 2005 10:07:58 am PST #5047 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

They had to answer to my authoriTAY.

You're such a Dom.


beth b - Nov 16, 2005 10:08:14 am PST #5048 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I think after reading through everything - I feel actually that the cheaters need to be turned in. I was more borderline before. Because if you haven't figured out ethics before - you need to now. I think it is because I have known too many people that rely on cheating. and don't get caught. I would not get any joy out of seeing a classmate fail . I don't tend to get any joy out of anyone's pain. ( no, really) But I put on my fake parental shoes, and i'd want my child to know that there are possible severe consequences to cheating. I do not think being caught will stop anyone, but maybe a pause would be a start.


DavidS - Nov 16, 2005 10:09:16 am PST #5049 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Even if you've agreed to an honor code that demands you do? Most of them if you don't squeal you're in violation.

I don't remember agreeing to an honor code at my college. I don't know that I would've considered one binding. I certainly wouldn't have felt morally obliged to report somebody. My ethical choices aren't bound by a freakin' school code.


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2005 10:09:33 am PST #5050 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I would gather that most professors frown upon cheating as would deans, presidents of universities/colleges, etc.

They frown on drinking too, but it would not occur to most college students to report that.

Apples and oranges though. Unless you've got some sort of "boozing underage" honor code. And plenty of them don't frown on drinking, I'd argue way more are concerned about cheating than about liquored up students.


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 10:10:53 am PST #5051 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I think in this case I'd be saving some of my outrage for the professor who apparently accepted late submissions after categorically stating that he wouldn't.

Ooh, good point! What's up with that?


DavidS - Nov 16, 2005 10:10:53 am PST #5052 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You're such a Dom.

Who doesn't like bossing around freshman?


vw bug - Nov 16, 2005 10:10:55 am PST #5053 of 10003
Mostly lurking...

Well, I was an RA too, but I felt my role was to counsel my freshman and enforce a semblance of peace. They had to answer to my authoriTAY.

I wasn't in the freshman dorm, so that makes a bit of a difference. Although, I didn't tend to call the police or check on things unless there was a complaint. Sometimes I'd knock on a door to tell someone to quiet down, but the only time the cops were called was after a noise complaint that turned out to be mucho underage drinking.


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2005 10:10:56 am PST #5054 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I don't remember agreeing to an honor code at my college. I don't know that I would've considered one binding. I certainly wouldn't have felt morally obliged to report somebody. My ethical choices aren't bound by a freakin' school code.

Apparently not if you'd agree to something and not do it.