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Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Trudy Booth - Nov 06, 2005 6:50:34 pm PST #3117 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

she's pretty buggered by the snot monster tonight.

Bummer. Booger buggered.


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2005 7:03:12 pm PST #3118 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bodyworlds is proof of a loving god. I mean, come on.


tommyrot - Nov 06, 2005 7:06:07 pm PST #3119 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've never been to Bodyworlds. I don't even know what it is.

Pro'lly why I'm an atheist, huh?


Burrell - Nov 06, 2005 7:07:25 pm PST #3120 of 10003
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Do you mean the exhibit we went to, ita?


Gris - Nov 06, 2005 7:25:20 pm PST #3121 of 10003
Hey. New board.

But how, then, is this proof of use to theists? What if there is a God but He doesn't give a damn about human or other intelligent life? What if He is only interested in some pond scum on some planet a million light-years from Earth? What if all He cares about is arranging the stars into pretty patterns? (Which are cool, by the way.)

This isn't a theistic argument, at all. I mean it is, in the sense that "theistic" is the opposite of "atheistic" but it makes no specific argument for any specific theology. The God proven within is eternal, unique, and a Creator. That's it. Clockwork God perfectly acceptable. His ethics theories, which he doesn't go into much in this book, go further, but the proof itself is very much a God that could care only about pond scum. Or might not care about anything at all. Human qualities not required.


tommyrot - Nov 06, 2005 7:41:08 pm PST #3122 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I meant, how is this argument a comfort to those theists who wish there to be a proof of God's existence? Are they thinking, "OK, now we're halfway there to what we want, which is proof of a God who is concerned about our fate and intervenes on our behalf."?

Also, does his proof rule out the possibility of polytheism? Or of a non-perfect God?


Gris - Nov 06, 2005 7:53:20 pm PST #3123 of 10003
Hey. New board.

Polytheism, yes. Perfection is a human term, so it depends on how you define it. The God is defined as a "universal cause", the only "self-caused" entity in reality, and it must be unique for various well-formed logical reasons that seriously need more background than I can go into.

And nobody ever said it was a comfort for theists. It's a philosophical exercise, no more. I suppose it can be "comforting" in the sense that, if considered valid, it works as an argument against avowed atheists, but there's lots of nonbelievers out there that aren't atheists, but I don't think that's in any way the intention of the book - it reads as pure philosophy. And as someone who's read a lot, it works a good bit better than most arguments for God's existence that I've seen in other philosophical works.


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2005 8:01:55 pm PST #3124 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you mean the exhibit we went to, ita?

Yup!


Volans - Nov 06, 2005 9:01:27 pm PST #3125 of 10003
move out and draw fire

Timelies...I'm heading off to work. New babysitter, as the regular one couldn't make it. This one keeps calling me "madam."

"His milk is in the fridge."
"Yes madam."
"He'll probably be ready for a long nap around 10:00."
"Yes madam."

I'm feeling very colonial.


CaBil - Nov 06, 2005 11:25:42 pm PST #3126 of 10003
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

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