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'Bring On The Night'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jars - Oct 09, 2005 6:19:39 am PDT #4618 of 10002

Besides, an wouldn't an innate resistance only be helpful if it were the SAME avian flu? And is that even possible the way the suckers mutate?

Maybe it's like a natural vaccination. Don't mothers pass their immunities onto children? Or is that something I made up?

So when a person has already produced the antibodies, their bodies and their children's bodies retain the knowledge of how to produce antibodies for that strain and all its brethren. Maybe.


Volans - Oct 09, 2005 6:31:00 am PDT #4619 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I was wrong - I'm looking for the article I read (haven't found it yet), but did determine that the morbidity rate was low. So yeah, I take that back.

Besides, an wouldn't an innate resistance only be helpful if it were the SAME avian flu? And is that even possible the way the suckers mutate?

Maybe, is apparently the answer. There may be a clue in the Spanish flu to help with immunity against the avian flu we've got now.


Sheryl - Oct 09, 2005 6:34:13 am PDT #4620 of 10002
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Nilly, you have done nothing to offend me in this past year(nor in any year that I have known you).

Along those lines, if I have done or said anything that offended anyone here, I hope they can forgive me.(Nilly said it so much better than I could, but I hope my words are adequate enough)


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2005 6:34:35 am PDT #4621 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Life is a matter of how we arrange our hypocrisies" -- ita's mother.


Kate P. - Oct 09, 2005 6:41:03 am PDT #4622 of 10002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Nilly and Sheryl, neither of you have ever done anything to offend me. I hope you are both having a lovely Rosh Hashanah.

Guess what? It's actually chilly here today! This is very exciting. I'm so ready for some actual fall weather.


dw - Oct 09, 2005 6:44:12 am PDT #4623 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

As I understood the article about the flu, they believe survival depended on a genetic weakness, as the vectors were strange (elderly and infants survived, young adults were wiped out). And it seemed to kill whoever contracted it. The number of people who recovered was miniscule. And it killed so many people that pretty much everyone alive today is a descendant of a flu survivor, so according to their theory we should all be impervious to that strain of flu.

During the 1918 outbreak, the flu killed a higher than expected number of people in the 20-40 age group. That's why they think there's a genetic link. Problem is that a lot of people weren't exposed the first time (thanks to location or quarantine), and their genes have mixed with survivor's genes. So, there would probably still be a decent wad of fatalities.

Did you know Seattle was quarantined during the 1918 outbreak? The mayor pretty much shut the city down after a trainload of sick soldiers arrived from the east coast. The decision was hugely unpopular, and he was turned out of office for it. But it saved lives: Seattle's death toll was 1600 out of approximately 400,000 people, a death rate half what was seen in other US cities.

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Kat - Oct 09, 2005 6:49:12 am PDT #4624 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Hey ita, do you have plans this evening?


Jessica - Oct 09, 2005 6:52:54 am PDT #4625 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

According to what I've read, current thinking about why young adults died disproportionately is that the virus provoked such a violent immune response that their lungs essentially exploded from the invading white cells. In people with weaker immune systems (i.e. children and the elderly), this didn't happen, and they were predominantly at risk of death from secondary bacterial infections (such as pneumonia).


Trudy Booth - Oct 09, 2005 6:58:27 am PDT #4626 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

There may be a clue in the Spanish flu to help with immunity against the avian flu we've got now.

I sure hope so. I'm excited we now know what the hell it was -- I think the old theory was that it was from swine.


Nilly - Oct 09, 2005 6:58:34 am PDT #4627 of 10002
Swouncing

Thanks, everybody. It means a lot.

you must have a very simple Yom Kippur

You're very funny. In the nicest way possible, but still.

[Edit: 42=6*7, but all woven into each other, which, well, sort of fits 42.]